Bucking Bar,

I couldn't agree more with your entire post. Well said!

 

Last time I checked, I have not had entire posts stating the difference between fact and opinion. I was letting it drop, but since you're on on the Carl cheering squad, you do any more "fact" checking on your posted DC plan and equity payout fallacies..............

 

I would have to "imagine" it....it is this sort of emotional, non-sensical name calling that assures DPA will never represent DAL (of course that is just my opinion)

 

He's also responsible for presiding over:

LOA #43 and #44 "temporary relief from cap and other scheduling limits"

LOA #45 "Post-Retirement Pilots" or PeRPs, that kept our furloughed pilots on the street even longer while everyone else made C2K pay

AND LOA #46, the 5 Billion Dollar giveback, all prior to bankruptcy and within the normal Section 6 time frame for the C2K amenable date:

• Increased limit for number of 70-seat RJs to a maximum of 150, based on scheduled mainline block hours.
• 32.5 percent reduction in hourly pay rates.

• Reduction in per diem, night pay, and international pay.
• 
International pay only for international flights actually operated (not for sick, vacation, or reserve guarantee).
• 
Value of vacation day reduced.

• PBS implemented.
• 
Monthly cap replaced by average line value (ALV).
• 
FO recovery obligation if removed for another pilot’s Operating Experience (OE).
• Recovery and reroute rules broadened.
• Reserve high/low yellow slip system replaced by reserve assignment weighting (RAW).
• Green slip (GS), green slip with conflict (GSWC), and reroute pay reduced.
• Defined-benefit plan was soft-frozen.

• Accident leave reduced.


DPA is his mea culpa? He's responsible for presiding over the single largest concessions deal in Delta history. ***?

 

Wow! I had almost forgot.

It was particularly bad bargaining for F/Os.

I'm not sure why someone would brag about JM being a big supporter of the DPA, because I don't see much there to brag about.

 

You're not even being honest, so I normally don't bother responding to your type. So I'll fill in the gaps in your honesty: What you really want is the push for an in-house union to just go away. 4,200 cards is far too close for you ALPA-philes, and all your constant mud slinging has only served to bring more pilots to the in-house union and away from DALPA.

If I were advising your crew, I would tell them to stop the mud slinging and lies, then simply start telling Delta pilots the objective to lead the industry again and how you plan to achieve that. As long as you stay silent on that subject and only mud sling against Delta pilots who want an in-house union, you only show DALPA's weakness and inability.

Carl

 

Sadly, that's not true Bar. Sadly, that battle is all but lost and DALPA will be at the bargaining table when openers are exchanged. Once that happens, DALPA has the ball and no change of union will be able to change our opening position. The NMB would never allow it.

Thus, once openers are exchanged it's a card collecting effort and union building effort to have a top-shelf plan B in place if DALPA's TA is considered unacceptable by the majority of Delta pilots.

The only way that mess will migrate here is if Delta merges with US. Unless you're one of those guys that says an in-house union is the same as USAPA. That's not what you're saying...are you?

Carl

 

This is of course a silly characterization and is typical of the folks that think wisdom and competence only can reside if Delta pilots work under the banner of ALPA. If those same pilots work under an in-house banner, they immediately become unqualified back-benchers. Silly.

Another silly attempt to characterize a thoughtful attempt at democracy as a splinter group only desireous of splintering.

4,200 of your brother Delta pilots consider this an emergency. I believe a big majority of Delta pilots agree, but there are still a surprising number of pilots who don't even know that an in-house union drive is happening. I firmly believe that if DALPA wanted a confidence vote and did so by calling for an election, DALPA would lose by a large majority. But even if I'm wrong and every pilot has heard of DPA and only 4,200 of us support them and the rest totally support DALPA, you really should re-think describing 4,200 of your fellow pilots the way you just did.

Kind of like the targeting of brothers that you've just done?

Not as long as DALPA is the bargaining agent. The only hope we have of any meaningful gains is if DALPA is threatened with replacement. They need to feel that pressure every single day they negotiate on our behalf. It still may not make a difference because ALPA will be so heavily involved in our negotiations, but it's the only check and balance we'll have.

Carl

 

What's different this time is the communications prior to section 6 commencement. Normally your bargaining agent begins with a full throated defense of your worth, and uses every trick in the book to make you look like you've got the worst contract in the industry. This time, our bargaining agent is purposefully excluding SWA, FDX, UPS and our foreign competitors so that our contract doesn't look as bad as it is. I could go on with the differences, but you should get the idea.

Carl

 

Gomer, you're not doing the cause of the ALPA-phile any good if you continue to use words improperly. I know one of the main DALPA talking points is to characterize anything DPA as emotional and name calling. But look again at my post that you just characterized as emotional and non-sensical name calling:

First, you do know that "constructive engagement" is the official strategy of DALPA don't you? Second, you do know that DALPA MEC officicals and management officials attend the birthday parties of each others' children, don't you? Third, you do know that the negotiating committee chairman that negotiated Delta's C2K is now a strong DPA suppporter, don't you?

There's not a single part of my post that is non-factual. Facts are not emotional or name calling. I'm not saying you should give up on stating the DALPA talking points of everything DPA being emotional, but you probably should only apply it to emotional or name calling posts.

Carl