Delta Pilots Association
11-12-2013 | 07:55 PM
#8221
No longer cares
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From: 767er Captain
You take one statement, and enshrine it on your golden tablet.
11-12-2013 | 08:05 PM
#8222
Back on TDY
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From: 747-400 Captain
11-13-2013 | 03:34 AM
#8224
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T, why do you bother? They pick and choose at random which quotes they like. "It's a cost neutral contract" taken out of context sticks but "we will pay the mx costs for the RJ's instead of 717's" doesn't. You must enjoy beating your head against the wall...
11-13-2013 | 04:09 AM
#8225
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
You guys clearly despise anything that makes us look like other than perfection. DAL88driver wasn't nearly as tough on us as I was.
Again, nobody had a company that's more financially successful and in a better position than us with C2012. Nobody. We had a chance to demand an industry leading contract in every way. Even if it was just marginally leading. Instead we settled for COLA pay raises fully funded by concessions in other areas, while adding 70 additional 76 seat RJ's. in my opinion, we blew it. We took the very first offer from management before Section 6 even began.
We may not have gotten help from the others, but no other union was in a better position to lead than us. We squandered that opportunity and hurt the rest of the pilot profession in the process.
Carl
Again, nobody had a company that's more financially successful and in a better position than us with C2012. Nobody. We had a chance to demand an industry leading contract in every way. Even if it was just marginally leading. Instead we settled for COLA pay raises fully funded by concessions in other areas, while adding 70 additional 76 seat RJ's. in my opinion, we blew it. We took the very first offer from management before Section 6 even began.
We may not have gotten help from the others, but no other union was in a better position to lead than us. We squandered that opportunity and hurt the rest of the pilot profession in the process.
Carl
"Just say no" would have us stalemated through at least middle of next year. With the direct compensation increase, increased credit and reserve changes I'm ~ 25% above where I was pre C12 (backed out longevity) although my relative seniority in base has gotten worse.* I clearly credit more time now.
FWIW, I voted NO. But, the RJ deal was leverage and for what it was, it was used to good effect.
* I'm guessing it will take another two years to reach my pre merger base + equipment career apogee.
11-13-2013 | 05:28 AM
#8226
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From: 767er Captain
Yeah you are right. I just can't let him using his half truths for his propaganda go unchecked.
11-13-2013 | 05:54 AM
#8227
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Just as ALPA tends to shoot themselves in the foot, the same it is with Carl. The more half truths, mis truths, backwards logic and just plain old hypocritical musings he posts the more damage he does to his cause.
11-13-2013 | 05:55 AM
#8228
At home on the maddog!
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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)
There is a very simple concept in business that has been proven to be true time after time after time. Employees are your greatest asset. To view employees as strictly a "cost item" and especially to treat them poorly does not usually turn out to be a strategy for success. (Not unless you have someone like DALPA running interference for you.)
We're being paid as if our company was on the verge of bankruptcy... at a time when our company is making billions in profits.
Anyway, here's some more food for thought on the subject:
11-13-2013 | 06:59 AM
#8229
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From: 7ERA
What allows Delta to make that statement is the savings realized in engine overhauls on 50 seat jet and airframes as well as lease valuations. Do not forget that Delta also got out of many of these 50 seat leases with 739 and 321 purchases. That is how they can state "cost neutral" as a whole for the investor community. There is a difference that you fail to either see or admit. Talking points to investors are a lot different than money in your pocket.
Make it easier Carl, has you pay and total package gone up since the TA?
11-13-2013 | 07:05 AM
#8230
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From: 7ERA
More than you think (or are willing to admit). This isn't the place to discuss it. And I think you know that.
There is a very simple concept in business that has been proven to be true time after time after time. Employees are your greatest asset. To view employees as strictly a "cost item" and especially to treat them poorly does not usually turn out to be a strategy for success. (Not unless you have someone like DALPA running interference for you.)
We're being paid as if our company was on the verge of bankruptcy... at a time when our company is making billions in profits.
Anyway, here's some more food for thought on the subject:
There is a very simple concept in business that has been proven to be true time after time after time. Employees are your greatest asset. To view employees as strictly a "cost item" and especially to treat them poorly does not usually turn out to be a strategy for success. (Not unless you have someone like DALPA running interference for you.)
We're being paid as if our company was on the verge of bankruptcy... at a time when our company is making billions in profits.
Anyway, here's some more food for thought on the subject:
Don't forget that you hang your hat on a ALPA negotiated contract; C2K.
Its easy to state that you just say no and the company will quiver. I submit that if that is tried the pilots will have pitchforks due to lack of results. It may be where DALPA goes but time will only tell. A middle of the road is probably preferred by a great majority.
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