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11-13-2013 | 10:11 AM
#8241
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More than you think (or are willing to admit). This isn't the place to discuss it. And I think you know that.
There is a very simple concept in business that has been proven to be true time after time after time. Employees are your greatest asset. To view employees as strictly a "cost item" and especially to treat them poorly does not usually turn out to be a strategy for success. (Not unless you have someone like DALPA running interference for you.)
We're being paid as if our company was on the verge of bankruptcy... at a time when our company is making billions in profits.
There is a very simple concept in business that has been proven to be true time after time after time. Employees are your greatest asset. To view employees as strictly a "cost item" and especially to treat them poorly does not usually turn out to be a strategy for success. (Not unless you have someone like DALPA running interference for you.)
We're being paid as if our company was on the verge of bankruptcy... at a time when our company is making billions in profits.
You constantly use SWA pilots as a gold standard. SWA pilots have never exceeded the C2K contract. Or IPA's contract. And they absolutely are treated like a cost item. Otherwise they would be paid so much more. Right? So I guess you can't use them as a standard anymore.
Or UPS pilots. Management decided that the size of their pilot group cost too much, so they furloughed a number of them and let management pilots pick up the slack. So you can't use them as a standard anymore either. Forget what they get paid.
And what pilot at Delta gets treated poorly? Honestly. How can you even attempt to use these things as an argument?
11-13-2013 | 10:15 AM
#8242
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But hey, DALPA just says YES to everything.
11-13-2013 | 10:17 AM
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The entire statement was discussing all the good things the new pilot contract would bring to Delta Air Lines. Ed and Richard went on to say that the new pilot contract would be cost neutral, and in fact, the additional cost savings would allow Delta to FUND other employee initiatives within OTHER employee groups at Delta.
When these comments came to light, our DTW LEC put them out in a letter to us along with the MEC administration's extreme displeasure at management for making public statements like that. What really made O'Malley mad is that Richard and Ed made those comments before the vote was taken.
So that's the context tsquare. Still want to keep changing the subject and making a fool of yourself?
Carl
When these comments came to light, our DTW LEC put them out in a letter to us along with the MEC administration's extreme displeasure at management for making public statements like that. What really made O'Malley mad is that Richard and Ed made those comments before the vote was taken.
So that's the context tsquare. Still want to keep changing the subject and making a fool of yourself?
Carl
That's not providing the entire quote. Or even a portion of the quote.
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11-13-2013 | 10:18 AM
#8244
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Will there be an announcement for a vote by 1 Jan, for some on APC the self imposed deadline? If not when? I feel if there is not a vote soon then this becomes anever ending card drive by DPA with no true end game in site other than to be a thorn in the side of DALPA.
I do believe that DPA has been good for shedding light into the dark corners of DALPA, but at some point there either has to be a vote or they need to end the campaign.
I do believe that DPA has been good for shedding light into the dark corners of DALPA, but at some point there either has to be a vote or they need to end the campaign.
Unlikely. DPA doesn't have enough active cards now, so they likely won't by then either.
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11-13-2013 | 10:53 AM
#8245
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[QUOTE=DAL 88 Driver;1519017]More than you think (or are willing to admit). This isn't the place to discuss it. And I think you know that that[QUOTE]
Why? Dont you advocate for the release of survey results? I understand this is a public webboard but you don't think that sending survey results out to pilots would be secure either do you?
Why? Dont you advocate for the release of survey results? I understand this is a public webboard but you don't think that sending survey results out to pilots would be secure either do you?
11-13-2013 | 11:49 AM
#8246
Straight QOL, homie
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I could pull a bunch of pie-in-the-sky anecdotes out of my @ss and pass them off as "facts" to back up my argument, too. But then I'd be a delusional cheerleader.
11-13-2013 | 12:01 PM
#8247
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I thought you were a big "fact" guy. But I'm not seeing any verifiable facts there, nothing corroborated by anyone else. . So far as I can tell, you are the only one who has ever pushed this interpretation of the "facts."
I could pull a bunch of pie-in-the-sky anecdotes out of my @ss and pass them off as "facts" to back up my argument, too. But then I'd be a delusional cheerleader.
I could pull a bunch of pie-in-the-sky anecdotes out of my @ss and pass them off as "facts" to back up my argument, too. But then I'd be a delusional cheerleader.
In typical Carl/PD style, you break out the insults once you're proven wrong. Stay classy.
11-13-2013 | 12:01 PM
#8248
Straight QOL, homie
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Wait...how did that work out for us on C12?
As for me, I'll just slide back into the nice, tight box.
11-13-2013 | 12:09 PM
#8249
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Maybe Seham will help? His firm has only been fired by USAPA, APA, & SWAPA. And SWAPA was so disappointed in CAPA, they left and no longer have CAPA lobby for them. The same CAPA that lobbies for Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Republic, GoJet, Horizon, and Cape Air. But hey, at least there won't be a conflict of interest.
11-13-2013 | 12:26 PM
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[QUOTE=Dorfman;1519236][QUOTE=DAL 88 Driver;1519017]More than you think (or are willing to admit). This isn't the place to discuss it. And I think you know that that
Why? Dont you advocate for the release of survey results? I understand this is a public webboard but you don't think that sending survey results out to pilots would be secure either do you?
That quote had nothing to do with survey results one way or the other.
Why? Dont you advocate for the release of survey results? I understand this is a public webboard but you don't think that sending survey results out to pilots would be secure either do you?
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