Both Sailingfun AND Slowplay are posing here now. Great.

There goes my situational awareness.......

 

Sailing is this what you were talking about as far as the Pan Am pilots?

. Post-Retirement Medical Benefits
Years ago, Delta management had instituted a ten year service requirement before Delta would pay the full cost of a non-pilot employee's post retirement medical insurance premiums. The ten-year service requirement was eventually applied to Delta's pilots when Delta and ALPA entered into a collective bargaining agreement in October 1990. However, in August 1991, the ten-year service requirement was waived to exempt all pilots who were on the Delta seniority list as of August 27, 1991 and had reached age 50 on or before January 1, 1992.

Because the Pan Am pilots were not integrated into the seniority list until November 1, 1991, none of them qualified for this grandfather clause. As discussed above, at the time of the APA, Delta did not permit its captains and first officers to bid down for flight engineer positions after they had reached the FAA-mandated retirement age of 60. Thus, any Pan Am pilots who were over 50 at the time of the APA would not be able to qualify for fully paid post-retirement medical benefits unless they were willing to accept employment in a ground position after they turned 60.

 

The total contract costs after the first joint contract were right around 2.2 billion. There will be 3 raises of 4 percent each plus the DC increases before the amendable date. That pushes the number to 2.4 or so. To restore everything including pay, work rules, improve the DC ect.. would take the total pilot costs north of 4 billion. Keep in mind we would have to hire at 3000 pilots going back to the old work rules so you have both the pay increases and a much larger work force.

 

My peak rate on the 747-400 was 285/hr if memory serves.

My previous post said pay, not pay rates. I didn't lose about 50% of my pay rate overnight, I lost about 50% of my pay. The rate went from about 285 to about 168 if memory serves. That's a 41% drop in pay rate. Our line values went from the high 70's - low 80's to around 67 to 68 hours and stayed there. Add that to the 41% drop in pay rate, and my paycheck (pay) dropped over 50%. Loss of work rules, vacation, training, sick leave, etc., was all on top of that.

I wasn't here to see what happened at Delta, but my situation was probably pretty similar at old NWA.

Carl

 

See above post.

Carl

 

I don't think so. I said our average pay was about $100,000 per year. 103 per hour X 75 hours X 12 months equals $92,700. Those pilots not on 12th year pay will average considerably less. Captains considerably more. I think my average of $100,000 per year is pretty close.

But let's say the average is closer to $110,000 year. That's 1.375 billion. To get to C2K pay restoration will require a 60% bump. 60% of 1.375 billion is 825 million. It's nowhere near this figure of 2 billion, 3 billion and 4 billion that people keep stating. 750 million to 825 million. That ain't asking too much.

An average monthly hour figure of 82 hours is nuts. Reserve guarantee alone is 70 hours and most reserve pilots never get above 70 hours. The 82 hour figure is made up in my opinion.

But let's say that it's not and your total pay figure of 1.65 billion is correct. To get to C2K pay restoration, a 60% bump of 1.65 billion is 990 million...not 2 3 or 4 billion. Even at 990 million, that ain't too much to ask. But again, your 82 hour per month average is wrong.

Really?

Carl

 

I don't know dude. Until I see both of them in the same room...

Carl

 

Can anyone tell me why a JFK-7erb should be assigned a dead head to MSP from LGA, sit for 3 hours, then fly a 757 to LGA (2.3)? Total pay out 5.54. I didn't know JFK ER FO's covered MSP sick calls.

 

You can cover any base they want you to cover. The time is not base dependent. I cover sickouts all over the system. It is nothing new.

Using you will also effect the NYC reserves recovered number for your base, but with as many cross hub assignments it really is a wash.

 

Nice selective quoting there, Carl. You conveniently forgot to add in two years pay raises AND 14% in DC.

Don't let those pesky facts get in the way of a good rant, Carl. Glad to see you're at least consistent.