Legislatoin to Stop the TSA!
11-21-2010, 04:59 AM
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Why did they not strategize about the different scenarios that they would encounter using this new procedure before implementing it ?
I think it's something that schould be asked at the highest levels.
Ally
I think it's something that schould be asked at the highest levels.
Ally
11-21-2010, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by johnpeace
Yeah, because shrinking the federal government back to within it's constitutional mandates are all BAD things, right?.
Yeah, I'm not making that up. That is one of Ron Paul's view. He has the most radical political views I have ever heard, and he will cause far more harm to this country than good.
In all my life, I have never met a politician who I have disagreed with 100%. Then I heard about Ron Paul.
11-21-2010, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
You mean like abolishing the department of education???
Yeah, I'm not making that up. That is one of Ron Paul's view. He has the most radical political views I have ever heard, and he will cause far more harm to this country than good.
In all my life, I have never met a politician who I have disagreed with 100%. Then I heard about Ron Paul.
Yeah, I'm not making that up. That is one of Ron Paul's view. He has the most radical political views I have ever heard, and he will cause far more harm to this country than good.
In all my life, I have never met a politician who I have disagreed with 100%. Then I heard about Ron Paul.
The real radicalism is a government who thinks that it can do anything and everything, regardless of the US Constitution. It spells out quite clearly what the federal government can do and what it can't. The 10th Amendment takes care of the rest.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Is that radical?
11-21-2010, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
Wonder why the TSA is now using more 'intrusive' measures, including full-body scans and pat-downs?
To hear the whiners, they are doing it for no reason. However, I 'm sure the screeners don't enjoy their new duties, nor would the TSA spend a lot of money on body-scanners when all Federal budgets are strapped.
I would think it is because they have credible intelligence that suggests or confirms that the terrorists are hiding explosives in the areas of their person that were previously 'off-limits.' I think it is also why the Feds are quiet or limited on explanations why this is necessary.
When you go to a doctor, it is understood that he may touch you.
Most states have an implied-consent law for driving, which means if you drive and are pulled over, the police can test your BAC.
No one is forced to go to a doctor, drive a car, or buy an airline ticket. If you choose to fly, you choose to be screened.
I would rather passengers be over-screened than let one more terrorist attack be successful.
To hear the whiners, they are doing it for no reason. However, I 'm sure the screeners don't enjoy their new duties, nor would the TSA spend a lot of money on body-scanners when all Federal budgets are strapped.
I would think it is because they have credible intelligence that suggests or confirms that the terrorists are hiding explosives in the areas of their person that were previously 'off-limits.' I think it is also why the Feds are quiet or limited on explanations why this is necessary.
When you go to a doctor, it is understood that he may touch you.
Most states have an implied-consent law for driving, which means if you drive and are pulled over, the police can test your BAC.
No one is forced to go to a doctor, drive a car, or buy an airline ticket. If you choose to fly, you choose to be screened.
I would rather passengers be over-screened than let one more terrorist attack be successful.
11-21-2010, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
You mean like abolishing the department of education???
Yeah, I'm not making that up. That is one of Ron Paul's view. He has the most radical political views I have ever heard, and he will cause far more harm to this country than good.
In all my life, I have never met a politician who I have disagreed with 100%. Then I heard about Ron Paul.
Yeah, I'm not making that up. That is one of Ron Paul's view. He has the most radical political views I have ever heard, and he will cause far more harm to this country than good.
In all my life, I have never met a politician who I have disagreed with 100%. Then I heard about Ron Paul.
11-21-2010, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
1. There is credible intel that meth and cocaine is being sold in your children's high school. How would you feel about letting the fed's take bolt cutters to every locker on the campus where your children attend, and pilfer through their belongings at their every whim. Dont' tell me this is not an insidious plague on our society. Death from drug abuse is orders of magnitude more deadly than terrorism in THIS country, and in our communities.
2.When you go to YOUR Dr. it is at YOUR convenience, the Dr. of YOUR choice (usually), whom YOU use, to ascertain YOUR status of health. And you consent to whatever examination he, as a health professional, deems necessary, and is performed according to reasonable and professional decorum. Hardly what happens at the TSA checkpoints. It takes only a cursory search of the internet to find many over-the-top stories that are being inflicted on people every day. Nearly every single one who want only to get where they're headed, and completely undeserving of what they are being subjected to.
3.The police may ONLY test your B.A.C. upon crossing the threshold of "reasonable suspicion", and are almost always being filmed themselves. If R/S is not met, they themselves are not immune to the full force of law, guaranteed under our Constitution.
4."Forced to buy an airline ticket, visit a doctor, drive a car..." Exactly WHERE do you propose to draw the line of "you're not forced to go past...."? The end of your driveway? Because that is most assuredly where this line of thought is taking us. Our Constitution was written to protect us from the tyranny of this animal commonly referred to as "government". It is our ideas that are intended to be protected at all costs. The government's roll is to ensure that that happens. Not infringe upon those rights in some HOPE that they may secure our persons.
Art. IV. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Re-Read the first portion of this Amendment, up to "shall not be violated..." This is NOT that hard folks. Ben Franklin was right. "Those who would give up their rights of privacy, for the hope of security, deserve neither".
Respectfully,
Chuck
2.When you go to YOUR Dr. it is at YOUR convenience, the Dr. of YOUR choice (usually), whom YOU use, to ascertain YOUR status of health. And you consent to whatever examination he, as a health professional, deems necessary, and is performed according to reasonable and professional decorum. Hardly what happens at the TSA checkpoints. It takes only a cursory search of the internet to find many over-the-top stories that are being inflicted on people every day. Nearly every single one who want only to get where they're headed, and completely undeserving of what they are being subjected to.
3.The police may ONLY test your B.A.C. upon crossing the threshold of "reasonable suspicion", and are almost always being filmed themselves. If R/S is not met, they themselves are not immune to the full force of law, guaranteed under our Constitution.
4."Forced to buy an airline ticket, visit a doctor, drive a car..." Exactly WHERE do you propose to draw the line of "you're not forced to go past...."? The end of your driveway? Because that is most assuredly where this line of thought is taking us. Our Constitution was written to protect us from the tyranny of this animal commonly referred to as "government". It is our ideas that are intended to be protected at all costs. The government's roll is to ensure that that happens. Not infringe upon those rights in some HOPE that they may secure our persons.
Art. IV. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Re-Read the first portion of this Amendment, up to "shall not be violated..." This is NOT that hard folks. Ben Franklin was right. "Those who would give up their rights of privacy, for the hope of security, deserve neither".
Respectfully,
Chuck
Hey Chuck,
I think you are absolutely right and I really like your post. My earlier post was to reflect on the ssymptom that policies in today's political world seem to be criticized because of who they are proposed by and not for their merits either way. It seems like things that were called an invasion of privacy a few years ago are now okay due to who's administartion is answering for it.
This is dangerous as we are legislating more by popularity than we are by what is truly right for our country.
I, like you, am concerned over what seems to be a radically moving line in the sand. It seems we have fewer rights as years go by. As I posted elsewhere it concerns me greatly that we now are required by law to have health insurance, we are required to submit to questionable TSA searches, kids can't have an American flag on their bicycle at school, the list goes on and on.
What happens when one of these lunatics puts explosives where the sun don't shine? Where do we stop redrawing the line?
11-21-2010, 04:42 PM
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First, it's spelled Legislation, not legislatoin.......
Secondly, profiling is a better solution.
Thirdly, profiling is a better solution.
And lastly, we should profile.
The TSA DOES provide security......FALSE SECURITY! (or as they say in the ATL, Secuuurty)
Secondly, profiling is a better solution.
Thirdly, profiling is a better solution.
And lastly, we should profile.
The TSA DOES provide security......FALSE SECURITY! (or as they say in the ATL, Secuuurty)
11-21-2010, 04:56 PM
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health care was for those who already had health care called the emergency room and we footed the bill anyhow, but my cost for health care for next year for Obama care went up 22%.
TSA is what it is because 90 percent of the terrorist that have taken action against this country and other counties all fall in one category radical Muslim's. But we cant say that or profile them because for they may be offended, well I am offended to hear about a young child getting groped or an elderly lady getting groped because they cant get out of the wheel chair to take the pose for ex rays, all so not to offend the people that are causing the problem.
TSA is what it is because 90 percent of the terrorist that have taken action against this country and other counties all fall in one category radical Muslim's. But we cant say that or profile them because for they may be offended, well I am offended to hear about a young child getting groped or an elderly lady getting groped because they cant get out of the wheel chair to take the pose for ex rays, all so not to offend the people that are causing the problem.
11-21-2010, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
health care was for those who already had health care called the emergency room and we footed the bill anyhow, but my cost for health care for next year for Obama care went up 22%.
TSA is what it is because 90 percent of the terrorist that have taken action against this country and other counties all fall in one category radical Muslim's. But we cant say that or profile them because for they may be offended, well I am offended to hear about a young child getting groped or an elderly lady getting groped because they cant get out of the wheel chair to take the pose for ex rays, all so not to offend the people that are causing the problem.
TSA is what it is because 90 percent of the terrorist that have taken action against this country and other counties all fall in one category radical Muslim's. But we cant say that or profile them because for they may be offended, well I am offended to hear about a young child getting groped or an elderly lady getting groped because they cant get out of the wheel chair to take the pose for ex rays, all so not to offend the people that are causing the problem.
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