"Latest and Greatest" about jetBlue
01-21-2012, 02:14 PM
#1891
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
While I agree with you that things can improve at JetBlue, my only argument is to do it responsibly and to maintain a cost advantage that allows the company to continue to grow. And while I don't like the prospect of ALPA, I would support an In-House. I just don't want B6 to become another unproductive, cost burdened company that can not last long term due to an inability to compete with the other airlines. Convince me you can maintain a competitive advantage with your CBA and you will get my vote. Clear and simple.
If jetBlue can't compete with equal pilot costs, then jetBlue shouldn't be in business. Your willingness to undercut your profession only contributes to the downhill spiral.
Unproductive...cost burdened. Nice management speak. The other side of that argument is you're willingly working for less, putting the livelihoods of fellow pilots at risk, all for your personal gain. It's not competition, it's not a better business idea, it's a labor arbitrage that's your primary concern in all these posts.
Pitiful.
01-21-2012, 03:01 PM
#1892
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 194
Convince you? I can't fix your ignorance. The information is out there. It was shown to your during the JBPA and ALPA campaigns. You choose to ignore it.
I will say this. The stock grants are all in the quarterly and year end reports. Read up on ERISA. Jetblue lied about work abounds. There are none. It's illegal.
Read how much more we pay for insurance. Read the MIT reports on how productive we are compared to our peers. We are THE best at what we do. We are compensated well below everyone else.
It sickens me to know I have to convince someone of where we are and where we should be while all they do it repeat management buzz words without understanding what it means.
For the record I am senior but I spend all my efforts fighting for the junior guys who are getting screwed.
I will say this. The stock grants are all in the quarterly and year end reports. Read up on ERISA. Jetblue lied about work abounds. There are none. It's illegal.
Read how much more we pay for insurance. Read the MIT reports on how productive we are compared to our peers. We are THE best at what we do. We are compensated well below everyone else.
It sickens me to know I have to convince someone of where we are and where we should be while all they do it repeat management buzz words without understanding what it means.
For the record I am senior but I spend all my efforts fighting for the junior guys who are getting screwed.
Last edited by lake alice; 01-21-2012 at 03:35 PM.
01-21-2012, 03:40 PM
#1893
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 531
Originally Posted by lake alice
Convince you? I can't fix your ignorance. The information is out there. It was shown to your during the JBPA and ALPA campaigns. You choose to ignore it.
I will say this. The stock grants are all in the quarterly and year end reports. Read up on ERISA. Jetblue lied about work abounds. There are none. It's illegal.
Read how much more we pay for insurance. Read the MIT reports on how productive we are compared to our peers. We are THE best at what we do. We are compensated well below everyone else.
It sickens me to know I have to convince someone of where we are and where we should be while all they do it repeat management buzz words without understanding what it means.
For the record I am senior but I spend all my efforts fitting for the junior guys who are getting screwed.
I will say this. The stock grants are all in the quarterly and year end reports. Read up on ERISA. Jetblue lied about work abounds. There are none. It's illegal.
Read how much more we pay for insurance. Read the MIT reports on how productive we are compared to our peers. We are THE best at what we do. We are compensated well below everyone else.
It sickens me to know I have to convince someone of where we are and where we should be while all they do it repeat management buzz words without understanding what it means.
For the record I am senior but I spend all my efforts fitting for the junior guys who are getting screwed.
01-21-2012, 03:59 PM
#1894
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 194
The blue juice brigade continues.
01-21-2012, 04:44 PM
#1895
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: P-3C
Posts: 982
Lake, sorry dude, but go back to your personal union tirades on FI. Start a new thread called "Give unions a chance." Or "They say we can all get along". Good day Sir!
01-21-2012, 04:47 PM
#1896
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 73 gear slinger
Posts: 312
I don't even have a job at B6, so not much horsepower behind my thoughts....
.... but I think the pilots (you folks) should get paid more than you do. With or w/o a CBA or Union....it seems to me (again, just an outsider looking in) that you are not being compensated at an hourly rate that is comparable to other majors. Not saying that the pay at jB is bad, just seems a bit lower than avg.
...however, and more importantly, if a person enjoys their career and feels they are fairly compensated for the work they put in, not much else really matters...except maybe job security.
.... but I think the pilots (you folks) should get paid more than you do. With or w/o a CBA or Union....it seems to me (again, just an outsider looking in) that you are not being compensated at an hourly rate that is comparable to other majors. Not saying that the pay at jB is bad, just seems a bit lower than avg.
...however, and more importantly, if a person enjoys their career and feels they are fairly compensated for the work they put in, not much else really matters...except maybe job security.
01-21-2012, 05:11 PM
#1897
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Position: DAL
Posts: 623
Originally Posted by Clear Right
Ask your MIL buds at Delta how much growth is going on over there. They have been stagnant for years. I assume you are fairly new to B6 if you are on the 190. But you will soon be off that equipment or be very senior on the 190, and your QOL will be great. You will soon surpass your DAL buds in quality of life and pay as B6 grows and your seniority advances. Yes our retirement can improve, but as long as JetBlue keeps cost under control they will continue to grow. I want you and everybody at JetBlue to demand more, just be responsible about it and keep the company labor costs across all work groups competitive. If folks get to greedy the growth will stop and in the long run the company will suffer. That is my opinion.
01-21-2012, 05:14 PM
#1898
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Position: DAL
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
I just want those improvements to remain responsible and in the best interests of both the pilots and the company.
If you don't realize management is looking out purely for themselves, at your expense whenever possible, you're sadly deluded (and at best, very naive).
Last edited by More Bacon; 01-21-2012 at 05:30 PM.
01-21-2012, 08:25 PM
#1899
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Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by More Bacon
That's some pretty strong kool-aid, my man. You may want to dial it back a bit.
01-22-2012, 01:17 AM
#1900
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Posts: 28
Originally Posted by More Bacon
If you don't realize management is looking out purely for themselves, at your expense whenever possible, you're sadly deluded (and at best, very naive).
Classic.
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