windrider

Gosh...I bet your husband is one miserable dude listening to you whine and complain all the time.

lake alice

It's ok BoB. We'll get you better pay and benefits no matter how hard you try to keep Jetblue below everyone else.

Clear Right

Lake,
Of course you will notice my absence from the discussion lately only because it degraded to name calling. You will also notice, that I have never personally attacked you (where as the opposite is not true). I respect your efforts for the company, and I, like you wish for improvements. I only want those improvement to occur in a different manner without what I call legacy CBA ideas, because I to have been around this industry in some form my entire life and seen nothing but degradation. I feel JetBlue actually can be a highly successful company if we remain cost efficient across all labor groups and across the corporation, management included.

Now to my point of the quote, with regard to Hawaiin. Instead of pilots being happy about B6 adding another revenue stream to the bottom line. Pilots somehow feel we are entitled to dictate corporate strategy by hiding behind "scope." JetBlue has never intended to fly wide body aircraft, so please tell me how we should somehow limit the companies ability to have a code share with Hawaiin, because the pilots of JetBlue feel we should have wide bodies on the property. This is exactly the kind of legacy CBA mentality I am talking about. The Hawaiin deal is a good thing for the pilots of JetBlue because it puts more revenue in our pocket and more capacity on our aircraft so we can continue to grow. But somehow pilots that want to be corporate directors and dictate corporate strategy. When we hamstring or limit the companies ability to do positive things for the company as a whole, that is when we will fail or become bankrupt just like every legacy before us. Again, this is my opinion. Please keep it civil or you will no longer hear my opinion.

lake alice

Jetblue was started as an east coast airline. We we're going west. Jetblue claimed it would not enter large markets. We now service the majority of them. Jetblue claimed it would never add a second fleet type. We now have a regional jet.
Why shouldn't we do that wide body flying ourselves. The market is there for South America. The market is there for Europe. Obviously the market is there for Hawaii. We can't because leadership says so? March of '10 Dave Barger said we would never code share with American because of their culture. Look at us now. Jetblue has never intended to do a lot of things and look at us now.
The CBA mentality of the legacies is clearly working as they are all profitable and expanding globally. They outsource flying to regionals on less or non-profitale routes while make it up on connections. On the other hand Jetblue is allowing other carriers to do profitable flying for us. I fail to see your logic. All we continue to do is accept less so leadership can accept more.

lake alice

Jetblue pilots continue to pander to management while they reward themselves proverbially hand over fist. We can't have proper uniforms because they are too expensive. Now Jetblue is providing each pilot with 4 new shirts at a cost of $200,000. How many millions have we wasted over the past 10 years. You can't have proper STD/LTD/LOL yet the CFO is paid $1,000,000 to go away. You can't have a fully funded 401K but management awards itself $15,000,000 in stock grants. You can't have a pay raise on the 190 until the aircraft earns it's way into profitability. Thankfully a union vote fixed that. Can't have better medical insurance but leadership can. Oh, that's right they aren't on the same plan as us. You can't do long haul flying because...

This is Jetblue. You can't have this but we(leadership) can. When are the pilots going to wake up and stand up for themselves.

eaglefly

Don't know what to think about working at Jet Blue. Contrasting the pollyanna opinions of some here, two guys in my old crashpad were Jet Blue pilots and they whined and complained more then anyone. I left that pad for other reasons, but listening to them in detail gave me the impression Jet Blue was simply Eagle with bigger jets.

windrider

Lake Alice in case you haven't noticed it is like that at every huge corporation in America! Is it right?? Maybe, maybe not but that's the way it is. Quit worrying and complaining about what everyone else has. I'm really curious, why are you still here if things are so bad? I want my company to be financially strong and make good business decisions. I think what we are doing is a great idea. We are getting rewarded financially and building a business model without assuming some of the risks associated with expanding into markets we may not be able to support. I think I saw that we have about 3-4% of the market share. It takes time and I think Jetblue has done a great job. I don't know about you but job security is worth more to me than any route, widebody, etc. I'll happily fly up and down the east coast all day long as long as I'm paid fair and treated fair and have a job to retire at in 25 years. And because that is what I deem as important doesn't mean I'm whoring myself out to the industry and keeping us down.

lake alice

I get it. You are happy doing the same job as everyone else for substantially less. I can't argue with you on this. I think we should be paid an industry standard package and factually we are not. You are ok with this, I am not. As for my recall I'll take it when I'm ready.

Sig178

I've been very happy and lucky during my time at JetBlue and despite what some say anonymously, its a great place to work. We have things to work on when it comes to benefits, but I wouldn't say we are paid substandard. Do I want better 401k match? better health insurance? of course, but some are making us out to be bottom feeders when most line holding captains make over 200k/yr without trying. Even if DB said we are matching your pay to SWA scales including retirerment, you guys would still complain and compare apples to oranges, "BUT THEIR PER DIEM IS .15 cents MORE! WE ARE BRINGING THE INDUSTRY DOWN!"

I love when guys complain about pay in the crew room, then turn around and show me pictures of their new 100k Porsche. Some people need a reality check. I'm done even reading this board because of people like Lake Alice, thanks for taking a nice thread for potential new hires and turning it into your b1tchfest, if you have a # elsewhere please go back. To those interested in JetBlue, dont listen to an angry person behind a keyboard, go up to a JB pilot and ask how we like our jobs. I'm positive you will find someone thats happy. Good luck to all

lake alice

We are not paid an industry standard wage. That's a fact. Whether someone has a Porsche or a Yugo is irrelevant. What our insurance co-pays or monthly deductibles are is very relevant. The fact that pilots, life WD, are perfectly happy with our below average benefits package is extremely pertinent for a new hire. You must know that your being hired on to an airline that refuses to pay you an industry standard, not industry leading, package for what you do and surrounded by fellow pilots who refuse to stand up for what they are worth. Very pertinent information.