"Latest and Greatest" about jetBlue
05-06-2012, 10:34 AM
#2601
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JetBlue has a bright future, and much like every other airline, faces several challenges in one of the toughest cut throat industries that exist. Looking back in just over ten years, it has a rich history filled with growth and strong branding.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
Last edited by Liv2soar; 05-06-2012 at 10:50 AM.
05-06-2012, 11:45 AM
#2603
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 524
Originally Posted by Liv2soar
JetBlue has a bright future, and much like every other airline, faces several challenges in one of the toughest cut throat industries that exist. Looking back in just over ten years, it has a rich history filled with growth and strong branding.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
That great PTO system you talk about is WAY below industry average. See the 2007 PCRB report. Were you here then?
Your retirement sucks and you don't even know it or care. Do you even know what the difference is between a B fund and a 401K?
150% above 78 hours? Take a good look at the bid divisors and you'll see very few get to enjoy this "great benefit."
Small cult that want a union? LMAO. All that is needed in the next election is 160 votes. I'd say all is not well in Blueville.
How's that health insurance? LTD? Exorbently priced STD? Get any retirement contributions while out on LTD?
If management is distracted by as you say a small minority of pilots then I would say their focus needs more focus. Dealing with labor is part of being a manager. I would say based on our stock price management better get their act together and soon. Our current management team is proving to be a failure to the shareholders.
You sound like the "it's better than Mesa crowd" or the at least we have jobs crowd. The last election was about achieving average pay and benefits. Average. That's it. You don't even think we need average. I wish YOU would quit and go back to whatever dirtball, low expectation regional you worked for. Oh and I am a former regional/freight dog/furloughed real major airline pilot.
Fire away. I now it hurts your ego to be told the truth about how we compare. Go read and learn a little something......
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05-06-2012, 02:58 PM
#2604
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 73
Originally Posted by Liv2soar
JetBlue has a bright future, and much like every other airline, faces several challenges in one of the toughest cut throat industries that exist. Looking back in just over ten years, it has a rich history filled with growth and strong branding.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
05-06-2012, 03:13 PM
#2605
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 194
Originally Posted by Liv2soar
JetBlue has a bright future, and much like every other airline, faces several challenges in one of the toughest cut throat industries that exist. Looking back in just over ten years, it has a rich history filled with growth and strong branding.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
Or maybe we can discuss the increases you will see in health insurance this year because Jetblue is simply passing the premium increases to you.
Negative? No, realistic. Take you head out of your arse and drop the "just happy to be here" attitude. Do you have any idea what our merger protection is? Have you even read you PEA? If you had you would know we have none. All you do is repeat managements rhetoric. (they thank you by the way) You are still one of those clueless individuals who thinks AirTran was screwed by SWA and ALPA without EVER knowing that AirTran NEVER negotiated into their in-house contract a merger of operations. Which means they were lucky to get what they got. What would we get? A staple if we are lucky. McKaskill Bond will do nothing for us because it isn't triggered.
Jetblue has their sights squarely on the future because they don't have to worry about morons like you who think everything is just fine. While they consistently make changes to our PEA's and FSM you sit back and think everything is just fine. Again, because you are clueless. Get in the game. Ask questions.
Your reality of life and future at Jetblue is a result of pure ignorance. Read and learn what your PEA and the 5 documents say and then get back to me.
Wait for a T/E, give it a year and then come back to this board. Let me know how things worked out for you because as junior as you are it won't be pretty.
Those of us pushing for a CBA are doing things to make sure people like you are not on the street, have industry standard merger language, have industry standard health insurance, industry standard disability and a retirement that doesn't sit at the bottom of the list for major airlines.
I don't want a thank you or any sort of acknowledgment. All I want is for you is to realize what is actually going on behind the scenes at beloved Jetblue. Wake up man.
05-06-2012, 05:24 PM
#2606
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 531
Originally Posted by lake alice
If you had you would know we have none. All you do is repeat managements rhetoric. (they thank you by the way) You are still one of those clueless individuals who thinks AirTran was screwed by SWA and ALPA without EVER knowing that AirTran NEVER negotiated into their in-house contract a merger of operations. Which means they were lucky to get what they got. What would we get? A staple if we are lucky. McKaskill Bond will do nothing for us because it isn't triggered.
You know I respect your opinion and enjoy a healthy informed debate. But I do have to wave the B.S. flag on this point. I have yet to see any legally written counter argument that says the new Section 15 language would not protect us in the event of a T/E. I have only heard speculation, and one could actually argue that our language is stronger than what we would have with a CBA.
I am certain you have read McCaskill-Bond and you must know that a unions CBA merger language takes precedence over M-B language. One could argue that if JetBlue were in the same situation as AirTran we would have been better off based on our new Section 15 language. I would rather not go into details on this public forumn, but I do have to wave the flag with regard to your interpretation of Section 15 and a T/E. When I see a legally written document that clearly states our Section 15 and the McCaskill-Bond legislation is weaker than CBA language, then I will tip my hat to you, but until then it is just Crew-Lounge Pilot Talk.
Looking forward to a continued healthy respectful debate.
05-06-2012, 05:37 PM
#2607
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 194
Originally Posted by Clear Right
Lake,
You know I respect your opinion and enjoy a healthy informed debate. But I do have to wave the B.S. flag on this point. I have yet to see any legally written counter argument that says the new Section 15 language would not protect us in the event of a T/E. I have only heard speculation, and one could actually argue that our language is stronger than what we would have with a CBA.
I am certain you have read McCaskill-Bond and you must know that a unions CBA merger language takes precedence over M-B language. One could argue that if JetBlue were in the same situation as AirTran we would have been better off based on our new Section 15 language. I would rather not go into details on this public forumn, but I do have to wave the flag with regard to your interpretation of Section 15 and a T/E. When I see a legally written document that clearly states our Section 15 and the McCaskill-Bond legislation is weaker than CBA language, then I will tip my hat to you, but until then it is just Crew-Lounge Pilot Talk.
Looking forward to a continued healthy respectful debate.
You know I respect your opinion and enjoy a healthy informed debate. But I do have to wave the B.S. flag on this point. I have yet to see any legally written counter argument that says the new Section 15 language would not protect us in the event of a T/E. I have only heard speculation, and one could actually argue that our language is stronger than what we would have with a CBA.
I am certain you have read McCaskill-Bond and you must know that a unions CBA merger language takes precedence over M-B language. One could argue that if JetBlue were in the same situation as AirTran we would have been better off based on our new Section 15 language. I would rather not go into details on this public forumn, but I do have to wave the flag with regard to your interpretation of Section 15 and a T/E. When I see a legally written document that clearly states our Section 15 and the McCaskill-Bond legislation is weaker than CBA language, then I will tip my hat to you, but until then it is just Crew-Lounge Pilot Talk.
Looking forward to a continued healthy respectful debate.
05-06-2012, 05:45 PM
#2608
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,903
Originally Posted by Clear Right
Lake,
You know I respect your opinion and enjoy a healthy informed debate. But I do have to wave the B.S. flag on this point. I have yet to see any legally written counter argument that says the new Section 15 language would not protect us in the event of a T/E. I have only heard speculation, and one could actually argue that our language is stronger than what we would have with a CBA.
I am certain you have read McCaskill-Bond and you must know that a unions CBA merger language takes precedence over M-B language. One could argue that if JetBlue were in the same situation as AirTran we would have been better off based on our new Section 15 language. I would rather not go into details on this public forumn, but I do have to wave the flag with regard to your interpretation of Section 15 and a T/E. When I see a legally written document that clearly states our Section 15 and the McCaskill-Bond legislation is weaker than CBA language, then I will tip my hat to you, but until then it is just Crew-Lounge Pilot Talk.
Looking forward to a continued healthy respectful debate.
You know I respect your opinion and enjoy a healthy informed debate. But I do have to wave the B.S. flag on this point. I have yet to see any legally written counter argument that says the new Section 15 language would not protect us in the event of a T/E. I have only heard speculation, and one could actually argue that our language is stronger than what we would have with a CBA.
I am certain you have read McCaskill-Bond and you must know that a unions CBA merger language takes precedence over M-B language. One could argue that if JetBlue were in the same situation as AirTran we would have been better off based on our new Section 15 language. I would rather not go into details on this public forumn, but I do have to wave the flag with regard to your interpretation of Section 15 and a T/E. When I see a legally written document that clearly states our Section 15 and the McCaskill-Bond legislation is weaker than CBA language, then I will tip my hat to you, but until then it is just Crew-Lounge Pilot Talk.
Looking forward to a continued healthy respectful debate.
While I don't know if we are protected or not, I do know that management has a multi-million dollar incentive to represent that they do protect us, even if they don't in the real world.........
05-06-2012, 07:41 PM
#2609
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Bluebus
Posts: 99
Multi-million yes, but let's place it in perspective. We are allotted 2 Mil to protect what is written in our PEA. That is afforded us by the company. Let's say that the company is bought out for 1.5 Bil. in hypothetical funds. Just pure speculations....is 2 Mill really, REALLY gonna be anything big? It could just as easily be considered a 2 Mill. dollar buy out as much as it could be considered a 2 Mill. dollar incentive. So in the end, if the company did nothing, the final buyout would be 1.498 Bill. to make it all just go away. I'm NOT saying this would happen, but it could happen. When you are talking billions of dollars in a sale, 2 million is pocket/throw away change in regards to the headache.
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05-06-2012, 08:08 PM
#2610
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 531
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
The company paid Ford and Harrison for the talking points that say it is better than union. Who do you expect to pay for the "legally written document" that states the opposite.
While I don't know if we are protected or not, I do know that management has a multi-million dollar incentive to represent that they do protect us, even if they don't in the real world.........
While I don't know if we are protected or not, I do know that management has a multi-million dollar incentive to represent that they do protect us, even if they don't in the real world.........
Not sure how long you have been with us, but the PVC has retained legal council in the past to interpret the language in our PEA with regards to these protections. It would be nice to see another round of legal analysis by outside council retained by the PVC to interpret Section 15 and compare it to CBA language. We have done this in the past.
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