Bluedriver

I respect your opinion. However, I take issue with your sort of insinuation or subtle assertion that being union is what caused all those furloughs and bankruptcies and so on. You may say that was not your intent, not sure if it was or wasn't, but is a common tactic by the company and pilots with your mindset.

We at jetBlue have some great things and some mediocre things. Our pay and benefits are not what they are at unionized carriers, but they are close in most respects. Not close enough however. My point is that if you think the difference between being euphoric jetBlue pilots and furloughed bankrupt on the street United/TWA pilots is somewhat better benefits, than I would suggest you re-evalute your logic.

The fact that jetBlue hasn't furloughed or gone bankrupt has little or nothing to do with union pilots or non-union pilots.

p1ayn

I've never said that ALPA was the actual cause of any other airlines failures or downfalls. However there does seem to be a commonality over the history of an airlines woes with a union in most cases than not.
Nonetheless, what I've ALWAYS stated is that I respect my peers and fellow pilots along with their opinions and do not judge or belittle them for their reasoning or logic, either pro or against a union. What I do find troublesome are the "personal" attacks on a person by name calling or insuation of lack of intelligence on the premise of an opinion that goes against theirs. We have a few issues here at JB, I do not deny that, never have. But in lite of the last ten years, war, economy etc, JB is not a bad place and personally I happen to look at the glass half full, and defend that half glass. When a customer says they do not want to fly JB, it takes away from all of us. When a fellow comrade says they do not consider you a part of their team and feels sick when someone actually likes their job, thenpersonally I do not want to be a part that negativity. Thats all Im saying. As I mentioned before, its not perfect here, but I do really enjoy the guys and gals I fly with, and I love being at JB enough to do what I can to make it last. Does that that mean I do not want improvements? Not at all, but not at the expense of the company. My method or perspective is just different from a pro union guy/gal is all, but its not to say we wont have a great layover and grab a few drinks. I have flown with a few pro union guys, and it was discussed in a respectful manner without insult and in the end we are happy we are here. If someone is nauseated over "singing praise" for their employer, I don't want to hear it, thats not the answer. Anyway, done with the topic, thanks for the input, I do respect it and unlike others I do listen and keep open mind. Cheers..

p1ayn

Case in point...

p1ayn

Point taken...lol...Cheers..

Bluedriver

Sounds good, and I like it here as well. I believe it is our business plan, good management (they are good managers), great people and great product that have led us to where we are. Union or non-union, we do have a good product, and that is why we have been successful.

I was Delta/NWA connection for many years. I also spent years on reserve there deadheading all over the system on mainline and regional airplanes (mostly mainline). I NEVER. And I mean NEVER ONCE, over years!!! heard ONE customer say they LOVED DELTA or NWA. Never.

I hear customers say "I love JetBlue" almost everyday I come to work, sometimes several times. That is why we are successful, not because we don't have a union.

lake alice

But because we don't have a CBA we are behind in almost every statistical category. That is unacceptable and a student council isn't going to fix our problems. How is it we do everything to to take care of our customers but we do absolutely nothing to take care of ourselves. Unfortunately we will never convince the I'm just happy to be here crowd.

p1ayn

Hey Blue, I couldn't agree with you more on every level. Especially with customers loving our airline. I also came from the DAL side, 10 years actually and a few other carriers prior to that, and not once did I hear the compliments I hear now with JB. I agree with what you say, great business plan, good product, good managers, good people. Its been working successfully, albeit not perfect but what carrier is? And you're correct, it has worked due to the above mentioned and not because we are not union. But its working... Regardless, I hear what you're saying and I agree, hopefully we can maintain this on every level. Cheers.

johnso29

Lol. Just wanted to make the point. Cheers to you as well.

avi8tor220

So no more hiring this year?

Bluedriver

Not necessarily. But you would have to be in the pool already to have a chance of being in class this year.

Still up in the air if more classes this year, although rumors are yes for the fall-winter.