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04-25-2012, 08:48 AM
#2521
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Originally Posted by whatifguy
Having a Union has NOTHING, I REPEAT NOTHING to do with whether an airline goes bankrupt or furloughs. Union members do not make the airlines policy, do not make the airlines business decisions. Ask any Mesaba pilot if ALPA caused Pinnacle to declare, or ask a Frontier pilot if they forced Bedford to make the decisions he's made. Absolutely ridiculous!! It pains me that you continue to spout The Dave's rhetoric and you have no idea what you're talking about. You need to do some research in airline history before you express an opinion, that up to now has been very ill-informed.
Without Unions in this industry you'd have NO work rules, no guarantee's, no pay-protection, no trip rig, no duty rig, no LTD, no STD, no rest requirements, no training requirements, and most importantly no KCM program. Please do some research, learn about the history of YOUR industry. Unless of course you're happy being a management mouth-piece with a rampers retirement.
Without Unions in this industry you'd have NO work rules, no guarantee's, no pay-protection, no trip rig, no duty rig, no LTD, no STD, no rest requirements, no training requirements, and most importantly no KCM program. Please do some research, learn about the history of YOUR industry. Unless of course you're happy being a management mouth-piece with a rampers retirement.
04-25-2012, 10:12 AM
#2522
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Originally Posted by whatifguy
Having a Union has NOTHING, I REPEAT NOTHING to do with whether an airline goes bankrupt or furloughs. Union members do not make the airlines policy, do not make the airlines business decisions. Ask any Mesaba pilot if ALPA caused Pinnacle to declare, or ask a Frontier pilot if they forced Bedford to make the decisions he's made. Absolutely ridiculous!! It pains me that you continue to spout The Dave's rhetoric and you have no idea what you're talking about. You need to do some research in airline history before you express an opinion, that up to now has been very ill-informed.
Without Unions in this industry you'd have NO work rules, no guarantee's, no pay-protection, no trip rig, no duty rig, no LTD, no STD, no rest requirements, no training requirements, and most importantly no KCM program. Please do some research, learn about the history of YOUR industry. Unless of course you're happy being a management mouth-piece with a rampers retirement.
Without Unions in this industry you'd have NO work rules, no guarantee's, no pay-protection, no trip rig, no duty rig, no LTD, no STD, no rest requirements, no training requirements, and most importantly no KCM program. Please do some research, learn about the history of YOUR industry. Unless of course you're happy being a management mouth-piece with a rampers retirement.
Originally Posted by p1ayn
Yea, I'll get right on that cause obviously you have all the experience and knowledge....what a joke...
04-25-2012, 10:58 AM
#2523
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Originally Posted by Hawker Driver
Curious as to why you believe so........
04-25-2012, 11:44 AM
#2524
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Originally Posted by p1ayn
Yea, I'll get right on that cause obviously you have all the experience and knowledge....what a joke...
It's extremely telling that the airlines that have taken the biggest hits since 9/11 (UA and US in my opinion) still have benefits and retirement contributions significantly better than ours.
Not saying this place is awful, but the security net for me and my family (and you and yours as well) is way too thin for my tastes. Remaining purposefully blind to that fact based on emotion serves nobody.
04-25-2012, 12:57 PM
#2525
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Originally Posted by whatifguy
Having a Union has NOTHING, I REPEAT NOTHING to do with whether an airline goes bankrupt or furloughs. Union members do not make the airlines policy, do not make the airlines business decisions. Ask any Mesaba pilot if ALPA caused Pinnacle to declare, or ask a Frontier pilot if they forced Bedford to make the decisions he's made. Absolutely ridiculous!! It pains me that you continue to spout The Dave's rhetoric and you have no idea what you're talking about. You need to do some research in airline history before you express an opinion, that up to now has been very ill-informed.
Without Unions in this industry you'd have NO work rules, no guarantee's, no pay-protection, no trip rig, no duty rig, no LTD, no STD, no rest requirements, no training requirements, and most importantly no KCM program. Please do some research, learn about the history of YOUR industry. Unless of course you're happy being a management mouth-piece with a rampers retirement.
Without Unions in this industry you'd have NO work rules, no guarantee's, no pay-protection, no trip rig, no duty rig, no LTD, no STD, no rest requirements, no training requirements, and most importantly no KCM program. Please do some research, learn about the history of YOUR industry. Unless of course you're happy being a management mouth-piece with a rampers retirement.
But I know...if I don't like it I should leave. This being the common answer the anti-union supporters always claim when you point out faults with ole' bluejet because they are just happy to be here.
That mentality would suffice if we were a struggling carrier not making record profits.
04-25-2012, 05:20 PM
#2526
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Guys last fall were doing 3 months of reserve BOS E90.
I say just take a side. Your either a pilot supporter... or you drink managments bs blue juice for breakfast.
And it is possible to support your company and your union at the same time. Frankly you must.
04-25-2012, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
And it is possible to support your company and your union at the same time. Frankly you must.
Lake knows my opinion on this, a JBPA drive will probably fare much better this time. Most of the Blue Juicers/Fence Sitters will probably lean to JBPA. ALPA, no interest. Yes, JetBlue can improve in many ways that Lake has already pointed out, but it is still a good place to work.
04-26-2012, 05:47 AM
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Clear, as a current poolie, I completely agree with you. I will look at all the options for JBPA when I do get a class date. Til then, I am waiting patiently!
04-26-2012, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cmesoar
Clear, as a current poolie, I completely agree with you. I will look at all the options for JBPA when I do get a class date. Til then, I am waiting patiently!
04-26-2012, 07:36 PM
#2530
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Originally Posted by whatifguy
Having a Union has NOTHING, I REPEAT NOTHING to do with whether an airline goes bankrupt or furloughs. Union members do not make the airlines policy, do not make the airlines business decisions. Ask any Mesaba pilot if ALPA caused Pinnacle to declare, or ask a Frontier pilot if they forced Bedford to make the decisions he's made. Absolutely ridiculous!! It pains me that you continue to spout The Dave's rhetoric and you have no idea what you're talking about. You need to do some research in airline history before you express an opinion, that up to now has been very ill-informed.
Without Unions in this industry you'd have NO work rules, no guarantee's, no pay-protection, no trip rig, no duty rig, no LTD, no STD, no rest requirements, no training requirements, and most importantly no KCM program. Please do some research, learn about the history of YOUR industry. Unless of course you're happy being a management mouth-piece with a rampers retirement.
Without Unions in this industry you'd have NO work rules, no guarantee's, no pay-protection, no trip rig, no duty rig, no LTD, no STD, no rest requirements, no training requirements, and most importantly no KCM program. Please do some research, learn about the history of YOUR industry. Unless of course you're happy being a management mouth-piece with a rampers retirement.
Retirement like Airways?
Last edited by hyperboy; 04-26-2012 at 07:37 PM. Reason: mistake
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