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Old 01-26-2012, 02:32 AM
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screw these message boards...it's not even worth getting upset over. obviously this is an example of someone who just loves to spew from the mouth.
Somebody's a forum quitter!
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Old 01-26-2012, 04:14 AM
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Lake,
With all do respect, in one post you say things have changed at ALPA, pilots and management are working together negotiating in harmony. But on the other hand you say the Hawaiian Code Share is somehow stealing flying from B6 pilots, and we should ETOPS a 320, please. Hawaiian is flying non-stop from JFK to Hawaii. What equipment was ever in B6's business plan that could operate that flight. C'mon, you are proving my point with regard to legacy CBA ideas.

If you want to go from any other blue city to Hawaii you can connect via a JetBlue flight to LAX. This is good business, but somehow pilots are soo smart that we can force management to operate a certain way and buy a new aircraft type. Again labor trying to hamstring management into a business strategy...that type of CBA thinking will ruin the airline over time.
I'm not sure why you hate ALPA but I suspect it's because you came from a regional and somehow feel slighted. The regionals did exactly what they were supposed to do. Allow you to build time and move on. It was never a career job. Every ALPA major carrier is making a profit, expanding, ordering aircraft, signing new contracts with employees. You have no argument against big bad ALPA. Allow me to repeat this important fact. Every legacy alpa carrier is making money, expanding, despite their "cba legacy ideas". Meanwhile Jetblue who is announcing record profits is giving away flying, increasing our insurance, refusing to increase or pay and benefits. Hawaii is flying we can and should be doing ourselves. What you fail to understand is once the alliances are announced you can't get them back. This is not a temporary issues and it prevents growth for our airline and our pilot group. If you can't see that I can't help you. What equipment was ever in Jetblues plan that was going to have 100 seats? Are you really making that argument? So because it was never in the plan ETOPS 320's should never be used. Wow.
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Old 01-26-2012, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
Lake you're over the top. Sure, just ETOPS a 320 and presto Jblue kicks a$$ in the Hawaiian market. All of your scenarios of wages and how we're getting worked over are of the "armchair" variety. Please go back to FI w/50tard.
Hawaii is a profitable market with current prices double that of a transcon. Do you undestand that most contracts have provisions that state once the pax level reach a certain point the airline must begin th flying itself. Do we have that? Hell no. Armchair? Please. Facts are facts. The charts and graphs are there and the ones I have presented to you are written by two of your biggest BoB buddies. We are getting worked over. Didnt we over pay by over 20 million for slots? Jetblue has over 1.2 billion in cash on hand but assisnting pilots on disability is impossible. We work for a very profitable company who can easily afford to make us industry standard yet pilots like you are gladly willing to accept less. And for what? Pease explain.

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Old 01-26-2012, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
Somebody's a forum quitter!
LOL! thnx for the coffee spit
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Old 01-26-2012, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull View Post
Vacationing at Lake Alice?

It is certainly worthwhile for a visit, it all depends on how long you stay. If the numbers come out this morning (Q4 and full year 2011) are lackluster, then a lease at the lake might be in the future (I said lease, not buying property yet)

There were no major snow storms (minus the "not our fault" BDL flights), no major thunderstorm days, maybe one hurricane for 2011.

I know wall street can be finicky, but I hope the report is positive.
JetBlue is only a utopia because JetBlue leadership tells you so. You are only over paid if JetBlue tells you so. Our Lake Alice vacation packages are designed to provide you with a factual experience. We ask our guest to come in with an open mind and absorb the facts.
For breakfast we provide you with a continental breakfast of vacation and sick time data. After breakfast a mid morning hike around the lake to CBA'ville where we discuss the finer points including legal support and representation. For lunch, on our retirement sponsored outdoor porch, we discuss and analyze ERISA and it effects on your retirement. Afternoon activities include boating and skiing through insurance benefits/LTD/STD/LOL and finally for dinner we have a 7 course spread covering pay, benefits, 5 documents, retirement, sick/vacation and retirement.
A trip to Lake Alice is a chance to learn and experience the information out there to help you make a more informed career decision going forward. Please sign up and visit. Spots are going fast. Knowledge and facts are being absorbed now!
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Old 01-26-2012, 04:53 AM
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Did you do 10 years at a shrinking regional flying 900+ hours a year with no chance to upgrade? Don't confuse "happy to be here" with being "happy with substandard compensation". A guy most certainly has a right to be happy even if things need work. Take it from a guy with 7000 hours in the RIGHT seat of an RJ, there were plenty of us in the schoolhouse when I went through. They want better things too (everyone does, it's human nature).


Yeah, what this guy says!
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
Lake you're over the top. Sure, just ETOPS a 320 and presto Jblue kicks a$$ in the Hawaiian market. All of your scenarios of wages and how we're getting worked over are of the "armchair" variety. Please go back to FI w/50tard.
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right View Post
Lake,
With all do respect, in one post you say things have changed at ALPA, pilots and management are working together negotiating in harmony. But on the other hand you say the Hawaiian Code Share is somehow stealing flying from B6 pilots, and we should ETOPS a 320, please. Hawaiian is flying non-stop from JFK to Hawaii. What equipment was ever in B6's business plan that could operate that flight. C'mon, you are proving my point with regard to legacy CBA ideas.

If you want to go from any other blue city to Hawaii you can connect via a JetBlue flight to LAX. This is good business, but somehow pilots are soo smart that we can force management to operate a certain way and buy a new aircraft type. Again labor trying to hamstring management into a business strategy...that type of CBA thinking will ruin the airline over time.
One more thing. A CBA allows you to put restrictions on a route stating if pax loads reach a certain level the route is then done by the original carrier. Do we have that? No. Wouldnt it make sense to fly a route if the alliance carrier is filling their ac with our pax. Also, because you signed, and probably never read, the PPA we can't do that PAC rim flying. Hawaii won't be one of our routes. Or anything in that direction for that matter because of the PPA. Again, bad legacy CBA's ruin airlines and pilot groups. Having a say is a bad idea.

JetBlue has conditioned you to think cost control, cost creep, we are all equal, organic growth, manage expectations. They slipped this announcement in, touted it and convinced you it isn't what it appears and you bought it.

Again, read the first paragraph.

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Old 01-26-2012, 06:13 AM
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I am one of the guys in the pool. I just renewed my FAA medical. Does anyone know who would be best to call to update this information?
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Old 01-26-2012, 06:24 AM
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I wouldn't think it would be necessary. When you get to class and get a computer you will update it yourself. Not sure it would be applicable information to HR since you are already in phase II.
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