The AirTran Pilots' Windfall and SLI
01-18-2011 | 12:35 PM
#391
Da Hudge
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Pilots were unhappy with their contract. They voted to strike. Strikes can destroy companies and careers. A strike vote is a serious expression of dissatisfaction with your "career expectations".
Seems pretty simple to me. Not sure how much you want to read into it. Just a simple statement that seems very relevant to this discussion.
Seems pretty simple to me. Not sure how much you want to read into it. Just a simple statement that seems very relevant to this discussion.
Seems pretty simple to you, but the arbiter won't give a flying red-bellied warbird about it.
01-18-2011 | 12:36 PM
#392
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Pilots were unhappy with their contract. They voted to strike. Strikes can destroy companies and careers. A strike vote is a serious expression of dissatisfaction with your "career expectations".
Seems pretty simple to me. Not sure how much you want to read into it. Just a simple statement that seems very relevant to this discussion.
Seems pretty simple to me. Not sure how much you want to read into it. Just a simple statement that seems very relevant to this discussion.
To try to use that authorization in some attempt to bolster your position on SLI is pretty cheezy, in my opinion.
Last edited by MaxPowers; 01-18-2011 at 12:48 PM.
01-18-2011 | 12:37 PM
#393
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Pilots were unhappy with their contract. They voted to strike. Strikes can destroy companies and careers. A strike vote is a serious expression of dissatisfaction with your "career expectations".
Seems pretty simple to me. Not sure how much you want to read into it. Just a simple statement that seems very relevant to this discussion.
Seems pretty simple to me. Not sure how much you want to read into it. Just a simple statement that seems very relevant to this discussion.
As an outsider, I have to "LoL" at SWA pilots' attempts to make the 737 into two different aircraft, a 73-LP at AAI, and a 73-BP at SWA... then to say that since they're company has the BP version, the seniority integration should be affected by it.
The only hope (for the industry) is that, no matter what the outcome of the ARBITRATED list (it's clear where it's going), is that both pilot groups agree to be bound by it, and don't start a petty game later on, if it's not "the result they wanted/expected".
01-18-2011 | 12:49 PM
#394
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From: 767er Captain
Pilots were unhappy with their contract. They voted to strike. Strikes can destroy companies and careers. A strike vote is a serious expression of dissatisfaction with your "career expectations".
Seems pretty simple to me. Not sure how much you want to read into it. Just a simple statement that seems very relevant to this discussion.
Seems pretty simple to me. Not sure how much you want to read into it. Just a simple statement that seems very relevant to this discussion.
01-18-2011 | 12:52 PM
#395
On Reserve
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From: C-172 Captain
Well I have been at 1 other and a Fractional. CA at all three. I guess I should have demanded to be at my first CA date of hire then. Oh well! Its working out just fine for me. Like I said. These discussions here are useless. We will all have to wait and see. Until then its only speculation. Fire away SWA haters. There sure are some ugly self deserving people on here though.
I for one will welcome arbitration. Especially after talking with my Rep, the MC and a few others. SWAPA has a very good case and everyone will be handled on its own merits. Good luck. Heres to seeing the trannies on the road. Sorry if some get their panties in a wad over trannies.
I for one will welcome arbitration. Especially after talking with my Rep, the MC and a few others. SWAPA has a very good case and everyone will be handled on its own merits. Good luck. Heres to seeing the trannies on the road.
Sorry if some get their panties in a wad over trannies.
01-18-2011 | 12:54 PM
#396
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One more time, relative seniority harms every pilot at every position of the SWA seniority list.
Any arbitrator will see that.
They will also recognize that at relative seniority, SWA pilots are THE ONLY LOSERS. Airtran pilots risk and lose nothing.
As a junior SWA FO, I'm not interested in becoming an instant captain as a result of this SLI, but I will exercise all means available to make sure that additional roadblocks are not placed in my career progression.
Anything close to relative seniority puts so many younger guys ahead of me that my career expectations will suffer. The demographics of these two airlines are vastly different.
At the same time, what is the cost and risk being borne by the Airtran pilots?
Any arbitrator will see that.
They will also recognize that at relative seniority, SWA pilots are THE ONLY LOSERS. Airtran pilots risk and lose nothing.
As a junior SWA FO, I'm not interested in becoming an instant captain as a result of this SLI, but I will exercise all means available to make sure that additional roadblocks are not placed in my career progression.
Anything close to relative seniority puts so many younger guys ahead of me that my career expectations will suffer. The demographics of these two airlines are vastly different.
At the same time, what is the cost and risk being borne by the Airtran pilots?
01-18-2011 | 12:58 PM
#398
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
One more time, relative seniority harms every pilot at every position of the SWA seniority list.
Any arbitrator will see that.
They will also recognize that at relative seniority, SWA pilots are THE ONLY LOSERS. Airtran pilots risk and lose nothing.
As a junior SWA FO, I'm not interested in becoming an instant captain as a result of this SLI, but I will exercise all means available to make sure that additional roadblocks are not placed in my career progression.
Anything close to relative seniority puts so many younger guys ahead of me that my career expectations will suffer. The demographics of these two airlines are vastly different.
At the same time, what is the cost and risk being borne by the Airtran pilots?
Any arbitrator will see that.
They will also recognize that at relative seniority, SWA pilots are THE ONLY LOSERS. Airtran pilots risk and lose nothing.
As a junior SWA FO, I'm not interested in becoming an instant captain as a result of this SLI, but I will exercise all means available to make sure that additional roadblocks are not placed in my career progression.
Anything close to relative seniority puts so many younger guys ahead of me that my career expectations will suffer. The demographics of these two airlines are vastly different.
At the same time, what is the cost and risk being borne by the Airtran pilots?
You mean your 20 year upgrade vs. a 22 year upgrade for AirTran?
01-18-2011 | 01:01 PM
#399
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From: 737 Right
01-18-2011 | 01:20 PM
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From: 777B
One more time, relative seniority harms every pilot at every position of the SWA seniority list.
Any arbitrator will see that.
They will also recognize that at relative seniority, SWA pilots are THE ONLY LOSERS. Airtran pilots risk and lose nothing.
As a junior SWA FO, I'm not interested in becoming an instant captain as a result of this SLI, but I will exercise all means available to make sure that additional roadblocks are not placed in my career progression.
Anything close to relative seniority puts so many younger guys ahead of me that my career expectations will suffer. The demographics of these two airlines are vastly different.
At the same time, what is the cost and risk being borne by the Airtran pilots?
Any arbitrator will see that.
They will also recognize that at relative seniority, SWA pilots are THE ONLY LOSERS. Airtran pilots risk and lose nothing.
As a junior SWA FO, I'm not interested in becoming an instant captain as a result of this SLI, but I will exercise all means available to make sure that additional roadblocks are not placed in my career progression.
Anything close to relative seniority puts so many younger guys ahead of me that my career expectations will suffer. The demographics of these two airlines are vastly different.
At the same time, what is the cost and risk being borne by the Airtran pilots?
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