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Old 01-24-2011 | 10:22 AM
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At CAL you can take your hourly rate, multiply it by 1,000 and that's what you took in for the year (+/- about 10%). Can you SWA pilots explain the mechanisms that allow you to pull down paychecks that are such a high multiple of your hourly rate?
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Old 01-24-2011 | 10:37 AM
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We dont get paid by the hour. Its Trip For Pay. Most average 105-110 TFP. Vacation months 125-150 easy. Gamers of the system can get as high as 180-200 TFP for a normal month. I average around 110 TFP with 18 days off per month. I go for the more productive trips on the days I work and dont care to take the effort to work the system better.
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Old 01-24-2011 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mulcher
We dont get paid by the hour. Its Trip For Pay. Most average 105-110 TFP. Vacation months 125-150 easy. Gamers of the system can get as high as 180-200 TFP for a normal month. I average around 110 TFP with 18 days off per month. I go for the more productive trips on the days I work and dont care to take the effort to work the system better.
Is there any talk of getting rid of that system and going to hourly pay?
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Old 01-24-2011 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mulcher
We dont get paid by the hour. Its Trip For Pay. Most average 105-110 TFP. Vacation months 125-150 easy. Gamers of the system can get as high as 180-200 TFP for a normal month. I average around 110 TFP with 18 days off per month. I go for the more productive trips on the days I work and dont care to take the effort to work the system better.
180 to 200? Wow, is that real hard to do? Is that with like 5 days off. Nice to have that option!
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Old 01-24-2011 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Is there any talk of getting rid of that system and going to hourly pay?

The real question is, why are we basing our comparisons (for contract posturing) to WN on hourly pay? Why aren't we doing a real comparison to what WN guys make?
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Old 01-24-2011 | 11:59 AM
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i agree, their hourly rate is skewed. Needs to be w2 earnings, plus diem, profit sharing, qol, etc.
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Old 01-24-2011 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotrob23
180 to 200? Wow, is that real hard to do? Is that with like 5 days off. Nice to have that option!
It all depends. I have seen that on some guys boards. They really work the premium pay flying. I like to have a schedule so I dont bother with that. But, it can be done.
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Old 01-24-2011 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotrob23
i agree, their hourly rate is skewed. Needs to be w2 earnings, plus diem, profit sharing, qol, etc.

I was thinking more on the lines of getting a better conversion to credit hours from the trips thing.

Per diem is a known quantity, QOL is highly subjective, and profit sharing should never be "counted on."

How are the "trips" calculated? What kind of rigs do you guys have?
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Old 01-24-2011 | 01:25 PM
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well, for 38 years it has. Jk. But your right. Love to get some feedback from the sw guys
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Old 01-24-2011 | 03:34 PM
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There are guys that love deadheading around the system to fly one trip. They give away their entire line and sit by the phone waiting for a text or call from scheduling for 1.5x pay or juicy deadhead trips. I can't stand sitting by the phone or deadheading, even paid ones, I would rather fly. But these guys get to 80-90 block hours a month and wind up with 180 trips or so. They definitely work more than the average guy here. Looking at the February lines, they range from 65-80 block hours for 85-100 trips per month. Days off range from 14(reserve line) to 18 days a month.
Rigs are as follows:0.74 per duty hour, 5.0 duty period minimum, 6.5 average daily guarantee, 1.0 trips per 3 hours away from domicile. I think that is all the rigs.
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