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Old 02-20-2011, 11:32 AM
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After having the night to sleep on it, I'm sad for the YX guys. I wish it had turned out different. I've met many of them and have been nothing but impressed. If you have time before starting class at wherever you end up, maybe allow RAH the privilege of paying to put you through class and sim in the 170.

As for everyone else, despite your real or perceived gains or losses, let's try to move forward and get a contract that we're all proud of.

Here's to hoping that we're still solvent in 7+ years!
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D View Post
and Mulva, you might learn from that type of measured and well thought out response as well.
Chuck D,

Everything I post is extremely measured and thought out. It's just that, unlike many other posters leading up to this, I fully accepted what was coming down the pike. With that in mind and knowing that I had absolutely ZERO say in how this played out, all that is left is to have fun with the situation by devils advocating, inciting and attempting to provide one's point of view with some light hearted humor mixed in. Otherwise, I couldn't care less about these discussions. Discussion here is nothing more than that, simply discussion, with no effect on how our careers progress. I've said before that I'm just here for the entertainment.

Do me a favor if you would and PM me with the exceptions you took with my earlier post. I'd like to know since my congratulations to the RAHbros was sincere. Not a single one of you guys will I ever hold a grudge towards. Your union did what you pay them to do and, to our bewilderment, did an exceptional job based on the results. I did, however, find it interesting how Eischen presented the career progression argument and took the opportunity to put it out there.

Now to that measured thought process for my next post.
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gtech88 View Post
Midwest Express was not around in 1978.
All I know is what the IMSL reads. The #2-5 MEA guys WERE hired on 4/23/84.

So, disregarding the anomaly of #1, the #2 MEA pilot was hired at MEA when the RAH pilot senior to him was 5 years, 9 months, 9 days old (DOB = 7/14/1978).
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:34 PM
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I can't believe it took a year and a half to come up with this.
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
Could someone post the text of the award?
Not the names, just the rationale, decision, explanation part.
Thanks.
Not sure but I think posting any portion of the award on a public board is a violation of some sorts to the unions, arbitrator and persons involved.
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:47 PM
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I need ten characters......

Last edited by JerrySpringer; 02-20-2011 at 12:54 PM. Reason: Nothing to see here.....
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MD80 View Post
What is the life lesson here?


answer: DO NOT LET ALPA NATIONAL REPRESENT YOU !!!!!

The Midwest (ALPA) scope language was a joke. It did not protect the YX pilots after they paid millions of dollars to ALPA National (over 10+ years) to represent and protect this pilot group interests.
Unbelievable that ALPA would hang these people out to dry. Are there or will there be any lawsuits brought on by ALPA on behalf of these pilots?
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Old 02-20-2011, 01:24 PM
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1 seat,

Welcome to the unpredictable world of mergers and SLI decisions by arbitrators. We have been waiting for you to come down off your perch and join us in reality.

Kind of scary down here in the land of the unknown, isn't it?

Turned out like many thought. It is not unpredictable. Relative seniority is in vogue. Still say NMB STS is not a given. Very possible keeps F9 separate.
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Old 02-20-2011, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jayray2 View Post
Unbelievable that ALPA would hang these people out to dry.
Not getting the desired outcome is not remotely the same as denial of fair representation...the legal name for "hang out to dry".
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Old 02-20-2011, 01:31 PM
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As you can see from the left I usually don't post often. I generally just troll here on occasion. I commend those from all the Airlines involved who have worked hard to finally bring this great big mess to a conclusion. I am an ex - YX'er who has moved on to brighter horizons with another Airline even though I am starting over again at what I consider an unreasonable age to do so. I started at Midex in 96 and at the time I had 10000+ hours in my log book and I was by no means the most experienced in the class. Over the years I added another 9000 hrs of DC-9 / MD-80 time with the vast majority of that as Captain. I spent a number of those years in the training department making sure or pilots were the best trained and safest in the industry. The end result of all that is a seniority number that puts me behind a Kid who has gone no farther in his/her career than a Dash F/O....Priceless!!. I wish every one well in this insanity that is called an Airline. I really do mean that sincerely.
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