Dougdrvr

As distasteful as I find it to look at this whole situation from management's point of view, what a nightmare this has become when they need to staff for the interim period. They are truly reaping what they have sown.

ClipperJet

Dude, What's up with that? There's no place here for a level-headed, mature, unemotional, grown-up response to what is undoubtedly a difficult situation.

Bravo!

Bolo

What is up with MULVA? He has lost his MOJO!
Sticky, I am glad to see that you and I are not closing this thread down.
I am BOLO and I approve this message. I cannot with Sticky guarantee that we will not receive an infraction for this post.

Car Ramrod

Thanks for the kind words. We are all a little upset of course. I am a Junior FO at F9. I am most upset about RAH first officers being included in Tier II above many of our First Officers. The Junior RAH FO's are upset because Lynx guys are integrated in above some of them. The senior guys at RAH are mad about the length of the fence. They YX guys are mad... well for obvious reasons. Most of us didn't get what we wanted. I guess it is what it is.

Here's a question for all you RAH guys. If First Officer vacancies open up on the Airbus, who would bid them? Would it be some of your Captains who already have 1000 PIC? Would it be some of the older or Junior F/O's who want the pay raise? I guess if I were a captain at RAH under these circumstances, I probably wouldn't bid the Airbus until I could bid the left seat. If I were close to upgrade on the RJ, I wouldn't bid Airbus F/O if I planned on moving on one day (and I assume most of you younger guys don't plan on making a career out of this place). Just curious... I personally would welcome anyone who wants to come over junior to me

Hetman

Stapled to Lynx?

Your buddy is a spoiled brat.

STR8NLVL

I'd say, if they could, there'd be guys from each group that would apply, given various life situations. Some would bid simply for the raise, others for the change of scenery, others for both.

BUT, and it's a big but, unless the co chooses to ignore it (and they won't because it leads to extra training events), neither group can bid for Airbus FO openings. The contract doesn't allow FO's to bid for FO positions on other equipment unless it's an upgrade to captain. Captains can't bid to change equipment unless it's a raise in pay. But captains also aren't allowed to bid to "downgrade" to FO under any circumstance.

Clearly, no one at RAH saw any of this in the future when they signed our current contract, except maybe for management!

So I'd bet there will be street hires until a combined CBA negotiated and ratified, 5 years post SLI implementation!

Mulva

Sick, ins't it? Just trying to be measured and thoughtful. I guess I need to get my head examined or find a different place to post.

Mulva

What did I say? Did my wife log on as Mulva again? I'm going to put a stop to that ASAP before you all get the idea that I might be reasonable and level headed.

And as for you BOLO, I've accepted my fate like a lamb being lead to slaughter. Baaahh Baaaaaahh!!!! I can already feel myself being assimilated into the RAH brotherhood, kind of like that hot Star Trek chick being assimilated into the Borg. If any of the RAH flight attendants look like that then it can't be such a bad place.

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Quit being such a D-bag Bolo! Just a joke Mr. Moderator...please don't shut this thread down!

Baaaaahhhh Baaaaahhhh

Emb170man

3000 people feel that they got the shaft...guess tue arbitrator did a good job. I am disappointed in the lower end of the list (I'm tier II). I think tier I and II were ok, but tier III and IV were a bit disappointing. One other question. Let's say a tier IV YX guy decides to be an FO on a 170 (not sure why they would, but for arguments sake). Would they come it at 18 year FO pay ( same rate for years 4+ right now) or at year 1 pay? I would certainly hope they would retain their longevity. It's not a great wage, but 36000 is a lot better than 20000.


Mulva... You are losing your touch!!!!

F9 A319

CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTION (page 39)

"The Award does not include proposed "conditions and restrictions" which would require application of one carrier’s collective bargaining agreement to work performed at a carrier covered by a different collective bargaining agreement; conditions which are contrary to existing collective bargaining agreement provisions (e.g. proposed changes to vacancy bidding rights, displacement provisions, domiciles, and/or training freezes/seat locks); and, conditions that involve matters subject to negotiation (e.g. the transfer of longevity credits between collective bargaining agreements, or tolling of recall provisions)."

Near as I can tell, Eischen left longevity completely out of his award, it is to be negotiated.

My guess is the the evil empire of BB, WH and RH would like nothing more than to reset longevity to ZERO for as many pilots as possible.

This could be a battle that requires members of all 4 groups to put aside "How does this affect me" and do the right thing for everyone involved.

The group with the greatest longevity over all is Midwest, so they have the most to lose. There are a small number of RAH pilots that have greater longevity than some of the Frontier pilots - 16 to be exact (not counting #1, Mr. Ron Graff, who is 67 years, 5 months and 30 days old - why is he on the list again?)

So, as are several areas of the award, longevity is a yet-to-be-determined issue, IMO.

PS. Is it required to use initials in lieu of actual names? I mean do I have to use BB instead of Brian Bedford