Oh.....you mean like the contract negotiations we've been in for years for much higher pay, better work rules, etc.? Donkey

Mr FAULTPUSH was the one who brought up the jumpseat in another petty swipe at a RAH pilots.

petty (adj): of little or no importance or consequence

3 revenue passengers got left behind and that's a petty? Actually, I guess it really is of little consequence to you, and that was exactly my point.

Revenue passengers were likely left behind for 2 reasons:

1. the DH'ing crew complied with their contract with their employer
2. their employer (your employer) poorly managed their staffing, scheduling, and/or reservations

DH'ing is part of the normal operation of an airline. It is built into the schedule, or done out of necessity to position a crew. Either way, the company made a decision to DH the crew, and to bump revenue in the process.

There are costs to run an airline. One is to, on occasion, bump revenue for the needs of the operation of the airline. You are not helping the company by covering up the problem, only the individual passengers that would have been bumped. Management needs to identify and fix the problem in order to secure the long term future of the operation. Covering it up prevents them from doing so.

It is hard to see this when you're on the front lines, leaving your customers behind.

+1 Agreed. Now lets get back to the meat and potatoes of the thread. Enough of the jumpseat BS.

Yeah...to heck with the paying passengers! We'd rather help the company than them.

What's there to discuss?

Most FAPA members think that taking concessions will be in their best interest by either (a) giving the company the flexibility and cost cuts they need to turn the place around or (b) slow the tightening of the inevitable death spiral that's already been entered.

Most everyone else in the industry (but particularly the RAH pilots) think taking concessions won't make a bit of a difference to the future of Frontier, but these concessions will likely make contractual gains more difficult in the profession in general, and their particular carrier specifically.

The future will judge who was right. The past doesn't smile kindly on the hopes of Frontier's pilots, but the past isn't a guarantee of the future.

Good luck to us all.

Yes, good luck to us all. I mean that sincerely. Ironically, while jumpseating F9 this past year+, there was sometimes concern by F9 pilots that RAH would push, through sheer numbers, to diminish Airbus pay to fund the regional side pay. I don't speak for our union, but they have often stated (backed by our general sentiments, I believe) that there would never ever be a push to diminish F9 wages to enrich the regional side, since we'd all be in it together.

I can promise you, with absolutely zero doubt, that RAH pilots WILL push for substantial and substantially needed gains in our new (and drastically overdue) contract. Given the pending F9 vote, assuming 67 goes through, I guess, "thanks" is in order for voluntarily funding our gains.

I'm not in your shoes, but I'd have a hard time voting "yes" to 67.

I disagree with this. The customers are your revenue source. Now, sure, your airline (like my airline) has dropped the ball many times. But now that it has come down to this situation, I step up and just offer to the gate agent I can ride the J/S if the Captain is ok with it, and that both of us should see him/her. As a Captain, the only concern would be to make sure that no one is trying to hitch a ride home or get to work in the jumpseat. But other than that, I don't see why one would deny a DH a jumpseat so one additional revenue passenger can get on.

The last time I offered to ride the J/S, the gate agent thanked me personally, and printed me a mishandled meal-vocher for $10 bucks.

Summary:

1. One additional revenue passenger gets to where he wanted to go, and where he paid to go.

2. $400 dollar voucher saved for mainline.

3. On top of my regular DH pay, I got a meal voucher for $10. That's a free lunch or dinner.

I can't say I blame FAPA. Everyone outside can scream to hold the line! Deny the cuts! Don't give 'em an inch. etc etc etc

In the end, it boils down to the fact that many at Frontier are there for their final career, and have no intention of going anywhere (some don't even have a backup option). As the hen that lays the golden eggs, the hen's suvival is of utmost importance. FAPA, and the F9 pilots in general, will do what they perceive is necessary to ensure their survival.