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hockeypilot44 06-15-2011 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1008975)
I disagree with this. The customers are your revenue source. Now, sure, your airline (like my airline) has dropped the ball many times. But now that it has come down to this situation, I step up and just offer to the gate agent I can ride the J/S if the Captain is ok with it, and that both of us should see him/her. As a Captain, the only concern would be to make sure that no one is trying to hitch a ride home or get to work in the jumpseat. But other than that, I don't see why one would deny a DH a jumpseat so one additional revenue passenger can get on.

The last time I offered to ride the J/S, the gate agent thanked me personally, and printed me a mishandled meal-vocher for $10 bucks.

Summary:

1. One additional revenue passenger gets to where he wanted to go, and where he paid to go.

2. $400 dollar voucher saved for mainline.

3. On top of my regular DH pay, I got a meal voucher for $10. That's a free lunch or dinner.

You offer to take the jumpseat, walk away or board, a real jumpseater shows up, agent tells him/her that jumpseat is taken, jumpseater leaves, and the agent is the only one that truly knows what happened. It's best to not only not offer, but flat out refuse the jumpseat as a deadheader. You are very short-sighted.

cactusmike 06-15-2011 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 1008791)
Revenue passengers were likely left behind for 2 reasons:
  1. the DH'ing crew complied with their contract with their employer
  2. their employer (your employer) poorly managed their staffing, scheduling, and/or reservations

DH'ing is part of the normal operation of an airline. It is built into the schedule, or done out of necessity to position a crew. Either way, the company made a decision to DH the crew, and to bump revenue in the process.

There are costs to run an airline. One is to, on occasion, bump revenue for the needs of the operation of the airline. You are not helping the company by covering up the problem, only the individual passengers that would have been bumped. Management needs to identify and fix the problem in order to secure the long term future of the operation. Covering it up prevents them from doing so.

It is hard to see this when you're on the front lines, leaving your customers behind.

I agree. Don't subsidize management mistakes. Don't screw over your fellow pilots that need the J/S to commute.

Bolo 06-15-2011 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 1008989)
I agree. Don't subsidize management mistakes. Don't screw over your fellow pilots that need the J/S to commute.

Again for the hundredth time this is way over blown. Who is screwing other pilots? Are you at the gate witnessing this? Take your seat in the back and have a cup of Shut the F---k up!
Let it rest, both sides!!!!
RIP DHD/Jumpseat BS!

Wiscopilot 06-15-2011 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by Bolo (Post 1008998)
Again for the hundredth time this is way over blown. Who is screwing other pilots? Are you at the gate witnessing this? Take your seat in the back and have a cup of Shut the F---k up!
Let it rest, both sides!!!!
RIP DHD/Jumpseat BS!

The issue is if a United, Delta, Express ect. jumpseater is trying to get on one of our holy F9 mainline flights you guys would bump them off the jumpseat while positive spaced. No one else does this but you.

Bolo 06-16-2011 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Wiscopilot (Post 1009007)
The issue is if a United, Delta, Express ect. jumpseater is trying to get on one of our holy F9 mainline flights you guys would bump them off the jumpseat while positive spaced. No one else does this but you.

Doesn't happen when there is a jumpseater, Period! DHD RAH pilots have never been forced and will not be forced to take a jumpseat to get another revenue passenger on board. It is in your contract! We can ask and only ask.
Next barrage of BS?

FAULTPUSH 06-16-2011 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 1008989)
I agree. Don't subsidize management mistakes. Don't screw over your fellow pilots that need the J/S to commute.

Too true!!

sticky 06-16-2011 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Bolo (Post 1009221)
Next barrage of BS?

gladly.

lets talk about you continuing to fall for BBs plan to destroy your pay. hes doing a great job in his newsletters massaging your egos...and all you have to do is go along with the plan and everyone will be happy. when you do, youll keep your jobs...for now anyway. soon there will be another reason to take...and all he has to do is pump out charming newsletters to get more.

hopefully there will be a day when you do say NO. hopefully youre strong enough to handle daddy BB being mad at you. no more love letters...no more family talk. youll be on his naughty list.

all RAH understands is the idea that all things being equal, lower pay=lower cost=larger profit margins. that is the only way they know how to do it.

FAULTPUSH 06-16-2011 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by sticky (Post 1009311)
all RAH understands is the idea that all things being equal, lower pay=lower cost=larger profit margins. .

So that's why we're making so much money.

sizzlechest 06-17-2011 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1008975)
I disagree with this. The customers are your revenue source. Now, sure, your airline (like my airline) has dropped the ball many times. But now that it has come down to this situation, I step up and just offer to the gate agent I can ride the J/S if the Captain is ok with it, and that both of us should see him/her. As a Captain, the only concern would be to make sure that no one is trying to hitch a ride home or get to work in the jumpseat. But other than that, I don't see why one would deny a DH a jumpseat so one additional revenue passenger can get on.

The last time I offered to ride the J/S, the gate agent thanked me personally, and printed me a mishandled meal-vocher for $10 bucks.

Summary:

1. One additional revenue passenger gets to where he wanted to go, and where he paid to go.

2. $400 dollar voucher saved for mainline.

3. On top of my regular DH pay, I got a meal voucher for $10. That's a free lunch or dinner.


Mmmmmmm....frauuuuuud...... how exactly were you entitled to that meal voucher? Weren't you a non-rev and, therefore, inelligible? What happens if HR gets a hold of that information or when they see your name on that meal voucher ticket lift when it is sent in for reimbursement? wow!!

inside0ut 06-20-2011 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1009564)
So that's why we're making so much money.

LOL not any more.

I guess RAH just found a way to pay their FFD side more... On the backs of FAPA!!

Stay classy Frontier!


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