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Great Santini 06-14-2011 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1008153)
Trust me, I want this circus to work as much as the F9 guys, but just about every possible wrong move is being made by them.

Tiller,
I rarely agree with you, but you're spot on with this point up till now at least.

embraerjetpilot 06-14-2011 10:35 AM

Faultpush... That broken record comes from years of experience with lies, lies, and more lies.

Obviously the problems here lie with management. They cant even align the flight schedules so that it works for passengers. Think what you want but to sign away this stuff with no hope of getting it back is just plain stupid. Thanks for playing to his hand any ruining any chance for the other side of the house to get a decent contract.

FAULTPUSH 06-14-2011 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot (Post 1008186)
Faultpush... That broken record comes from years of experience with lies, lies, and more lies.

Obviously the problems here lie with management. They cant even align the flight schedules so that it works for passengers. Think what you want but to sign away this stuff with no hope of getting it back is just plain stupid. Thanks for playing to his hand any ruining any chance for the other side of the house to get a decent contract.

We do have a hope of getting it back. If we're in business in 8 months I'll have made it back. Before you pull out that "he's bluffing" yet again, please point to the hidden money in the financials.

embraerjetpilot 06-14-2011 11:46 AM

Faultpush. Is the rumor true that these "concessions" include 190 rates cheaper than Rw? I can't believe it true but I heard it yesterday

Dougdrvr 06-14-2011 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot (Post 1008212)
Faultpush. Is the rumor true that these "concessions" include 190 rates cheaper than Rw? I can't believe it true but I heard it yesterday

Now that would be the "what goes around, comes around" example of the century!

flyguy23 06-14-2011 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 1008230)
Now that would be the "what goes around, comes around" example of the century!


RAH pilots have never negotiated rates in order to attain another pilot groups airplanes. Nothing ever went around.

Dougdrvr 06-14-2011 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 1008240)
RAH pilots have never negotiated rates in order to attain another pilot groups airplanes. Nothing ever went around.

RAH pilots are as pure as the driven snow. Where's the popcorn.:)

FAULTPUSH 06-14-2011 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot (Post 1008212)
Faultpush. Is the rumor true that these "concessions" include 190 rates cheaper than Rw? I can't believe it true but I heard it yesterday

It's not in the language, and the rumor on this board is that FAPA told mgmt that we wouldn't do that. That said, it makes operational sense to bring the E190s over to the F9 certificate. They would operate better here than they do on the RAH cert. In the last two months I've seen 3 revenue passengers bumped from our flight because the deadheading RAH crew "had a long day", and another situation that I'd prefer to to get into the details of, but it stranded 90 passengers and I doubt it would have happened if it had been a Frontier crew.

embraerjetpilot 06-14-2011 02:26 PM

Faultpush...

In the last week Ive flown with reserves from DCA, PIT, and PHl.. Having the airplanes on the Frontier certificate would not allow for them to understaff as they do. That being said, in at least 3 instances that I've seen...they were so short staffed that they had to use an airbus to cover a flight.

The Dhs are a constant issue with our company. I hear that you guys are now getting more and more of those. This time of year it is horrible to bump paying passengers because everything is full. Part of the problem is that they wait till the night before to make the reservations.

They "had a long day" Did they call in fatigued? I'm sure you realize that our crews dont have as great schedules as you guys do? On average we get 13-14 days off and wierd hours.

mking84 06-14-2011 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 1006821)
Think that ship sailed a while back. Skybus had the worst contract out there and how did it end up? Sometimes a lemon is a lemon. Has nothing to do with the people behind the control wheel, though the integration dodging and concessions does, but the simple fact that Denver is a market Frontier can't survive in. Hasn't been able to for years. Your concessions will not save a place with huge debt, $50 tickets, decreasing market share, and $100 oil. At what point do you actually consider it a "fail"? I'm not saying it can't be turned around but it's not going to be because of concessions. Frontier needs the kind of magic DAL and NWA pulled during BK, WAY lower lease rates and debt/rates, to make that happen.

Republic is that lemon. And i cannot wait to see F9 squeeze all the money out of it, then have UAL and DAL put the contracts up for bid when they renew. Buh bye Republic.


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