Concessions from FAPA, Airbus, etc. will add $120 million to the bottom line. Given those concessions, the BOD is willing to fund another $70 million to Frontier to keep it going. Absent the concessions, Frontier's losses will exceed the FFD profits. Shareholders care about profits; the BOD answers to the shareholders.

Please give me a rational explanation as to why you think that $190 million won't help.

They all say that. He's full of it.

What I don't understand is how the f9 crew may fall for this crap again? If I remember correctly they were told to take concessions, which they did, to avoid bankruptcy the first time. They still went to bankruptcy and just start the bankruptcy at lower pay and benefits.

Wrong - the bankruptcy was a total surprise. It's the only time that an airline has filed Ch 11 without planning it for months. They had 2 days to do it. But for Sean Menke, our goose would have been cooked.

What part of the company finances and losses don't you get? It's not like some behind closed doors thing that we are just taking their word for. If it was, the other players wouldn't be falling for it either.

Can't you guys get off this whole "don't fall for it" thing? If not, at least give us some idea about where you think they're hiding the money from the shareholders. Do you guys listen to George Noory?

Don't really know all the ins and outs of the situation there, but is it possible that BB will grow Frontier while shrinking Republic if the FAPA ends up taking concessions?

(Or it that impossible to do with the current contracts)
Just curious.

Your concessions will be worth about $25 million according to BB, oil rising several bucks will erase that instantly. What will you do then? Surrender more?

You have to fix the underlying problem with your airline and that's revenue.

Now do you really continue to think that this plan will work?!?!?! Weren't FAPA guys, pluse everyone else, saying in the past that SWA was going to hammer RAH?

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Agreed on the last point, but it can't be done overnight.

On the dollar amount - our give is only worth $10-15 million (I forget which). The rest is a non-sequitur.

It's conceivable, but has virtually nothing to do with what we're paid. Seat mile costs on E-190's are higher than Airbuses, and even the RAH guys worked for free, that wouldn't change (the total pilot cost is on the order of 0.2 cents per seat mile - the difference between airplanes is measured in whole pennies).

What shocks me so much is that the F9 guys actually trust Bedford. I truly hope the day doesn't come when we say "we told you so", but if you do vote to take concessions...again...it'll happen sooner than later.

Trust me, I want this circus to work as much as the F9 guys, but just about every possible wrong move is being made by them.

I'm so tired of saying this - it's in the financials, and the other participants are "trusting" him too. You're sounding like a broken record.