Delta getting close to fleet renewal order
07-14-2011 | 08:29 AM
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Bar, the Mafia over there have a great supply chain and distribution service.
07-14-2011 | 08:38 AM
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here's a dot for ya:
Boeing markets 717 jetliners again
This could be a win/win situation as Boeing capital can place aircraft it is holding and Delta gets a discount for being patient with that other jet.
Cheers
George
Boeing markets 717 jetliners again
Actually it’s Boeing’s financing arm, Boeing Capital Corp. (BCC), that has found itself the owner of 25 model 717s after lessor MexicanaClick's parent, Mexicana, went bankrupt in mid-2010.
Now Hawaiian is the latest company acquiring the aircraft, leaving another 23 for Boeing to unload.
“It helps Hawaiian meet its increased demand needs for inter-island traffic and allows us to place available airplanes with an operator who knows its value very well,” said BCC spokesman John Kvasnosky in an email. “It also supports our belief that the 717’s the best 100-seater in the market, based on the fact that established operators like Hawaiian (and AirTran earlier) have availed themselves of the chance to pick up additional aircraft as they’ve become available.”
Kvasnosky said the 717 makes up the greatest share of any model in Boeing Capital’s profile, making up $2.1 billion of the $4.5 billion total.
Now Hawaiian is the latest company acquiring the aircraft, leaving another 23 for Boeing to unload.
“It helps Hawaiian meet its increased demand needs for inter-island traffic and allows us to place available airplanes with an operator who knows its value very well,” said BCC spokesman John Kvasnosky in an email. “It also supports our belief that the 717’s the best 100-seater in the market, based on the fact that established operators like Hawaiian (and AirTran earlier) have availed themselves of the chance to pick up additional aircraft as they’ve become available.”
Kvasnosky said the 717 makes up the greatest share of any model in Boeing Capital’s profile, making up $2.1 billion of the $4.5 billion total.
Cheers
George
07-14-2011 | 09:08 AM
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here's a dot for ya:
Boeing markets 717 jetliners again
This could be a win/win situation as Boeing capital can place aircraft it is holding and Delta gets a discount for being patient with that other jet.
Cheers
George
Boeing markets 717 jetliners again
This could be a win/win situation as Boeing capital can place aircraft it is holding and Delta gets a discount for being patient with that other jet.
Cheers
George
07-14-2011 | 09:27 AM
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The dirty secret at Boing is they would be rolling in cash and pumping out planes had they just re-engined the 767. The resulting plane would cost less to produce, be a better performing plane than the 787-8 and Boeing would have a cool $6B sitting around to make a 737 replacement from scratch.
Instead, they decided that a HQ near the factory is not needed, the smart guy left to make cars, and the replacement guy ends up banging his secretary...
Cheers
George
Instead, they decided that a HQ near the factory is not needed, the smart guy left to make cars, and the replacement guy ends up banging his secretary...
Cheers
George
07-14-2011 | 10:05 AM
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Hopefully Boeing sticks to their guns and makes the 797 a twin-aisle aircraft in the 160 - 240 seat market.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly the 75, but I could understand why managers might wanna get rid of them
07-14-2011 | 10:09 AM
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Roughly $9 million per 717. They probably have a lot of cycles on them AND they would require a whole training program ... but, that's less than half price.
In other news ... Boeing has once again stopped the 787 production, citing a need to reseal fasteners int he fuel tanks and fuselage structural issues. They are now up to 44 jets which have to be extensively modified before they conform to the design specifications. Some of these jets have so many changes, they have effectively been abandoned.
In other news ... Boeing has once again stopped the 787 production, citing a need to reseal fasteners int he fuel tanks and fuselage structural issues. They are now up to 44 jets which have to be extensively modified before they conform to the design specifications. Some of these jets have so many changes, they have effectively been abandoned.
07-14-2011 | 10:33 AM
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Managers want to get rid of them because they're old, not because they have a long turn time. They hold their value on the used market better than almost any other jet.
07-14-2011 | 10:56 AM
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I'm sure the 757 is fun to fly, but it's not the most economical aircraft. Maybe it has a relatively low fuel expense per ASM, but 44+ rows with a single aisle = minimum 1 hr 30 min turn time. More ground time means the fixed costs are averaged over fewer block hours in a day.
Hopefully Boeing sticks to their guns and makes the 797 a twin-aisle aircraft in the 160 - 240 seat market.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly the 75, but I could understand why managers might wanna get rid of them
Hopefully Boeing sticks to their guns and makes the 797 a twin-aisle aircraft in the 160 - 240 seat market.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly the 75, but I could understand why managers might wanna get rid of them
Turn times don't have to do a lot with profitability. It's more about CASM. If you find the right route for an airplane that's what is more important. You can still have high utilization on an aircraft by flying it all day and all night, and using it for higher yield markets.
Fed Ex is gobbling them up as fast as they can.
07-14-2011 | 11:13 AM
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I'm sure the 757 is fun to fly, but it's not the most economical aircraft. Maybe it has a relatively low fuel expense per ASM, but 44+ rows with a single aisle = minimum 1 hr 30 min turn time. More ground time means the fixed costs are averaged over fewer block hours in a day.
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