Delta getting close to fleet renewal order
07-01-2011, 08:01 AM
#51
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If Delta comes to the table with enough money, anything is possible.
The senior guys may give lip service to RJ scope, but ratification is by secret ballot. Think about it. Then you've got the "deadzoners" who lost their retirement. A lot of them. And they can be bought. There's your 51%.
Make no mistake. Management knows how to segment this pilot group.
The wild card this time is the aforementioned lost retirement. There was always a sizable senior group before that would not support a strike under any circumstances because they didn't want to harm the defined benefit golden goose. That "segment" has largely been eliminated.
07-01-2011, 08:03 AM
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07-01-2011, 08:29 AM
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I don't think so either, but don't under-estimate the power of cash.
If Delta comes to the table with enough money, anything is possible.
The senior guys may give lip service to RJ scope, but ratification is by secret ballot. Think about it. Then you've got the "deadzoners" who lost their retirement. A lot of them. And they can be bought. There's your 51%.
Make no mistake. Management knows how to segment this pilot group.
The wild card this time is the aforementioned lost retirement. There was always a sizable senior group before that would not support a strike under any circumstances because they didn't want to harm the defined benefit golden goose. That "segment" has largely been eliminated.
If Delta comes to the table with enough money, anything is possible.
The senior guys may give lip service to RJ scope, but ratification is by secret ballot. Think about it. Then you've got the "deadzoners" who lost their retirement. A lot of them. And they can be bought. There's your 51%.
Make no mistake. Management knows how to segment this pilot group.
The wild card this time is the aforementioned lost retirement. There was always a sizable senior group before that would not support a strike under any circumstances because they didn't want to harm the defined benefit golden goose. That "segment" has largely been eliminated.
And that's why it's our NC's job to not allow something to MEMRAT that contains Scope relief. If you don't give the dead zoners a chance to sell others out, then it's not even a threat.
I personally will be going through that proposal with a fine tooth comb.
07-01-2011, 08:54 AM
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Boeing, like Delta, UCAL, and other major american companies continue to illustrate the poor leadership of the modern MBA and extreme excessive outsourcing which nukes product control.
07-01-2011, 08:58 AM
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the modern MBA.... "How to Get Rich or have the company Die Tryin'" to paraphrase 50cent...
07-01-2011, 10:07 AM
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Actually outsourcing strategy has been taught continuously at MBA programs in the US for the last 10 years or more. They've been teaching how to lower the labor cost by reducing number of direct employees and correspoding benefits. They do this by outsourcing bulk of their work to a cheaper third party independent contractors. As a result, companies have problem retaining quality control. Prime example, airlines, Boeing, etc.
07-01-2011, 10:29 AM
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07-01-2011, 12:16 PM
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There have been some wildly inaccurate numbers in this thread. Approximate costs of recent aircraft acquisitions:
The cost to "sharklet" the A 320 is around 6% of the base purchase price.
Boeing claims, due to maintenance prices, the 737 remains 2% less expensive to operate than the A320 NEO.
The A320 supply is "tight" until 2019.
Sources for the above: Aviation Week and Flight Global
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...l-unclear.html
- CRJ 700/900 $28,000,000
- E175 $34,000,000 (NEO figure low $40's)
- C Series $61,600,000
- 737NG $64,000,000 to $68,000
- 320 NEO $105,000,000 (orders have indicated transactions very near list price)
The cost to "sharklet" the A 320 is around 6% of the base purchase price.
Boeing claims, due to maintenance prices, the 737 remains 2% less expensive to operate than the A320 NEO.
The A320 supply is "tight" until 2019.
Sources for the above: Aviation Week and Flight Global
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...l-unclear.html
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