US/DL Slot Swap Approved
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From wiki:
And for the citation needed: http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...8-fc0ad8a1d59e
http://www.arlnow.com/2010/07/08/loc...l-dca-flights/
Perimeter restrictions
A plane flying the River Visual approach by the Lincoln Memorial.
Reagan National Airport is subject to a federally-mandated perimeter limitation and may not accommodate nonstop flights to or from cities beyond a 1,250-statute mile (2,010 km) radius, with limited exceptions. The U.S. Department of Transportation has issued "beyond-perimeter slot exemptions" which allow specified carriers to operate 12 daily round-trip flights to cities outside the perimeter. These exemptions are allocated as follows:
US Airways (8 slots operating as 3x Phoenix, 1x Las Vegas)
Alaska Airlines (6 slots operating as 2x Seattle/Tacoma, 1x Los Angeles)
Frontier Airlines (6 slots operating as 3x Denver)
Delta Air Lines (2 slots operating as 1x Salt Lake City)
United Airlines (2 slots operating as 1x Denver)
In 1999, Senator John McCain of Arizona introduced legislation to remove the 1,250-statute mile (2,010 km) perimeter restriction,[citation needed] infuriating some local residents concerned about noise and traffic from increased service by larger, long-haul aircraft. McCain argued that the move would improve competition, while critics[specify] charged he was supporting the interests of Phoenix, Arizona-based America West Airlines (AWA). In the end the restriction was not lifted, but the FAA was permitted to add additional exemptions, which went not to AWA but to competitor Alaska Airlines. America West (now US Airways) later gained additional exemptions for non-stop service to Phoenix in 2004.
Originally the airport had no perimeter rule; in 1954-1960 airlines scheduled nonstop flights to California on piston-engine airliners.[citation needed] Scheduled jet airliners were not allowed at all until April 1966; the perimeter rule arrived with them, and apparently applied only to them. The initial perimeter was 650 statute miles (1,050 km), except that airports under 1,000 statute miles (1,600 km) that had scheduled nonstops in 1965 were allowed to retain them. This meant Minneapolis-St Paul was allowed nonstop jet flights but Kansas City, New Orleans, and Fort Lauderdale were not. In 1981 the perimeter became a flat 1,000 statute miles (1,600 km); it expanded to 1,250 statute miles (2,010 km), enough to encompass Houston, in 1986-87.
A plane flying the River Visual approach by the Lincoln Memorial.
Reagan National Airport is subject to a federally-mandated perimeter limitation and may not accommodate nonstop flights to or from cities beyond a 1,250-statute mile (2,010 km) radius, with limited exceptions. The U.S. Department of Transportation has issued "beyond-perimeter slot exemptions" which allow specified carriers to operate 12 daily round-trip flights to cities outside the perimeter. These exemptions are allocated as follows:
US Airways (8 slots operating as 3x Phoenix, 1x Las Vegas)
Alaska Airlines (6 slots operating as 2x Seattle/Tacoma, 1x Los Angeles)
Frontier Airlines (6 slots operating as 3x Denver)
Delta Air Lines (2 slots operating as 1x Salt Lake City)
United Airlines (2 slots operating as 1x Denver)
In 1999, Senator John McCain of Arizona introduced legislation to remove the 1,250-statute mile (2,010 km) perimeter restriction,[citation needed] infuriating some local residents concerned about noise and traffic from increased service by larger, long-haul aircraft. McCain argued that the move would improve competition, while critics[specify] charged he was supporting the interests of Phoenix, Arizona-based America West Airlines (AWA). In the end the restriction was not lifted, but the FAA was permitted to add additional exemptions, which went not to AWA but to competitor Alaska Airlines. America West (now US Airways) later gained additional exemptions for non-stop service to Phoenix in 2004.
Originally the airport had no perimeter rule; in 1954-1960 airlines scheduled nonstop flights to California on piston-engine airliners.[citation needed] Scheduled jet airliners were not allowed at all until April 1966; the perimeter rule arrived with them, and apparently applied only to them. The initial perimeter was 650 statute miles (1,050 km), except that airports under 1,000 statute miles (1,600 km) that had scheduled nonstops in 1965 were allowed to retain them. This meant Minneapolis-St Paul was allowed nonstop jet flights but Kansas City, New Orleans, and Fort Lauderdale were not. In 1981 the perimeter became a flat 1,000 statute miles (1,600 km); it expanded to 1,250 statute miles (2,010 km), enough to encompass Houston, in 1986-87.
http://www.arlnow.com/2010/07/08/loc...l-dca-flights/
#152
Funny thing is when people say "we don't want the noise that comes from long haul aircraft!
But you're okay with the MD-80s? You're okay with (if they could fly into DCA) Lear 24s? But keep out those... quiet Airbuses. And Boeing... 757s, that fly to DCA right now anyways.
Maybe people think the DC-10 and 747 are the only aircraft that can fly DCA-West Coast?
But you're okay with the MD-80s? You're okay with (if they could fly into DCA) Lear 24s? But keep out those... quiet Airbuses. And Boeing... 757s, that fly to DCA right now anyways.
Maybe people think the DC-10 and 747 are the only aircraft that can fly DCA-West Coast?
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It appears that the DOJ is still reluctant to approve the deal.
"While DoT has ruled, the justice department is still reviewing the slot deal. It says it is now solely focused on how US Airways' *bolstered presence at National *airport would affect competition. It says passengers travelling through National pay some of the highest fares in the country."
"The justice department revealed no time-frame for its review of the deal but it issued a strong clarification of its authority. "Under the antitrust laws the division can, and will, take appropriate action, if warranted, at the conclusion of its investigation."
Delta and US Airways await Department of Justice slot review
It also appears that more DCA slots will be up for sale soon.
Republic Airways Holdings Inc. is studying whether to sell planes and airport landing rights in Washington to help raise about $113 million in a second round of restructuring at its unprofitable Frontier Airlines unit.
Steps under study in the new restructuring round include whether to sell flight slots at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport valued at almost $50 million, and 10 Embraer E190 jets, for a total of about $40 million, Bedford wrote."
Republic Airways Studies Selling Jets, Flight Slots for $113 Million Boost - Bloomberg
"While DoT has ruled, the justice department is still reviewing the slot deal. It says it is now solely focused on how US Airways' *bolstered presence at National *airport would affect competition. It says passengers travelling through National pay some of the highest fares in the country."
"The justice department revealed no time-frame for its review of the deal but it issued a strong clarification of its authority. "Under the antitrust laws the division can, and will, take appropriate action, if warranted, at the conclusion of its investigation."
Delta and US Airways await Department of Justice slot review
It also appears that more DCA slots will be up for sale soon.
Republic Airways Holdings Inc. is studying whether to sell planes and airport landing rights in Washington to help raise about $113 million in a second round of restructuring at its unprofitable Frontier Airlines unit.
Steps under study in the new restructuring round include whether to sell flight slots at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport valued at almost $50 million, and 10 Embraer E190 jets, for a total of about $40 million, Bedford wrote."
Republic Airways Studies Selling Jets, Flight Slots for $113 Million Boost - Bloomberg
#156
As I understand it DOJ doesn't have the authority to stop the transaction. They can (and sounds like probably will) file a lawsuit to stop it. In this case, I think the direction the courts lean is in the airlines' favor. From all indications it appears the transaction is moving forward.
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... and more slots come up for sale ... source Bloomberg 10/26 ... this is a bit of a surprise. I THINK these might have been US assets at one time.
Before we clap and cheer, we should consider the assets of "Delta" that are owned by SKYW via the ASA transaction.
Before we clap and cheer, we should consider the assets of "Delta" that are owned by SKYW via the ASA transaction.
Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (RJET) is studying whether to sell planes and airport landing rights in Washington to help raise about $113 million in a second round of restructuring at its unprofitable Frontier Airlines unit.
The plan also includes removing a lavatory to make room for three more seats on some of the carrier’s Airbus SAS jets and indefinitely deferring some aircraft purchases from Embraer SA (EMBR3), Chief Executive Officer Bryan Bedford told employees in a memo obtained by Bloomberg News.
Republic came up $15 million short of its goal for an unrestricted cash reserve of at least $200 million in the third quarter, Bedford wrote. The Indianapolis-based airline is projected to post a profit when it reports results next month, based on estimates from seven analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.
“Absent asset sales, we will be even further below that target by the end of the year,” Bedford said. “So again, we have to make tough choices, and we will.”
Republic isn’t discussing Bedford’s memo because it was an internal letter to employees and not intended for distribution outside the company, Peter Kowalchuk, a spokesman, said yesterday in an e-mail.
The plan also includes removing a lavatory to make room for three more seats on some of the carrier’s Airbus SAS jets and indefinitely deferring some aircraft purchases from Embraer SA (EMBR3), Chief Executive Officer Bryan Bedford told employees in a memo obtained by Bloomberg News.
Republic came up $15 million short of its goal for an unrestricted cash reserve of at least $200 million in the third quarter, Bedford wrote. The Indianapolis-based airline is projected to post a profit when it reports results next month, based on estimates from seven analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.
“Absent asset sales, we will be even further below that target by the end of the year,” Bedford said. “So again, we have to make tough choices, and we will.”
Republic isn’t discussing Bedford’s memo because it was an internal letter to employees and not intended for distribution outside the company, Peter Kowalchuk, a spokesman, said yesterday in an e-mail.
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As bad as I feel about some of my investments, at least I did a lot better than Leo Mullin did.
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In a word, nope. ASA was sold for $330 million, $20 million in debt transfer. Skywest held back $125 million and got all of ASA's assets including its gate leases in Atlanta, aircraft and capital improvements. Some say Delta holds a "right of refusal" on those leases, but if SkyWest holds a "fire sale" the leases will not simply be turned back in, they will be transferred for cash. Skywest's relationship is very much a love / hate thing. Skywest loves the business and the checks coming in, but they feel Delta is not trustworthy. Jerry Atkin always leaves himself a plan B and usually he's thought of it before the guy on the other side of the table.
As bad as I feel about some of my investments, at least I did a lot better than Leo Mullin did.
As bad as I feel about some of my investments, at least I did a lot better than Leo Mullin did.
We use way too many gates moving people 50 seats at a time...even 65 seats at a time. As we finally come to our senses we will be able to move the same number of pax with fewer gates. Plus the new terminal is opening up as well and we will at least get some more gates.
If he had a "fire sale" of those gates, who wold buy them? SWA is downsizing ATL, and we were very successfully competing against AirTran in the last couple of years leading up to their merger.
For any other airline, ATL is a good destination to feed their hub but that's it. JB might want a gate or two, VX maybe, and a few others to other legacies, although they too are growing tired of "hub raiding" 50 seats at a time just to bleed eachother out.
Empty threat. Bring it Jerry, let's see what you got.
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