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Old 10-15-2011, 07:36 AM
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My point is that JetBlue is a very successful company. It will most likely take two management partners for a dance. There are many here who are convinced JetBlue is "In-Play", my point is that in play will most likely be a hostile takeover, which is tougher than most think.
He was talking about the JB BOD, not the other merging/acquiring airline. If they are on board, then no hostile takeover needed. Plus a company with a low stock price and a good chunk of cash on hand is a good target. You can use that cash to finance the deal.
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:39 AM
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My point is that JetBlue is a very successful company. It will most likely take two management partners for a dance. There are many here who are convinced JetBlue is "In-Play", my point is that in play will most likely be a hostile takeover, which is tougher than most think.
If it's the CEO's job to make the shareholders $$$, & the only option remaining to make $$$ is to merge, why would it be a hostile takeover? It would more likely be a mutual stock swap, a merger of mutual benefits. I'm not saying it's inevitable, but I think it's foolish to NOT recognize that it's a possibility. Especially in these times of consolidation.
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Old 10-15-2011, 08:30 AM
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To get back on topic - SWA will most likely gain LGA slots from the US/DL slot swap for a greater presence in New York.
They probably won't, or at the best, only gain a few but not all. The slots that have to be divested are going to be sold in a blind auction to carriers with little or no presence in LGA. SWA is close to, if not over the floor required to participate when you add up their slots and Airtran's.

Of course, MFA status can go a long way. Maybe we need to sic Shumer on them with stories of how SWA will kill his pet airline.
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Old 10-15-2011, 12:31 PM
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They probably won't, or at the best, only gain a few but not all. The slots that have to be divested are going to be sold in a blind auction to carriers with little or no presence in LGA. SWA is close to, if not over the floor required to participate when you add up their slots and Airtran's.

Of course, MFA status can go a long way. Maybe we need to sic Shumer on them with stories of how SWA will kill his pet airline.
"The FAA proposed a time-limited blind auction that would sell off the slots in bundles: one bundle of eight pairs at National and two bundles of eight at LaGuardia, with no carrier allowed to acquire both bundles at LaGuardia. Southwest supports the bundles at those sizes, but some smaller carriers do not. Southwest says the bundling is needed to ensure the acquiring carrier can provide sufficient competition. But the carrier also might see a tactical advantage: its strong cash position would make it a favorite to win the auction for one LaGuardia bundle and the sole bundle at National. Southwest also is urging the DOT to abandon the limit on the number of bundles a single carrier can acquire at LaGuardia and to get rid of the time limit on bids, which it worries would prevent it from outbidding a carrier that submits a higher offer in the final seconds.


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Old 10-15-2011, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right View Post
My point is that JetBlue is a very successful company. It will most likely take two management partners for a dance. There are many here who are convinced JetBlue is "In-Play", my point is that in play will most likely be a hostile takeover, which is tougher than most think.
And so is defending against one when you have a flat 4 dollar stock that is way, way, way down from its previous highs, and an extremely envious position in the slot and facility controlled NYC market...the most crucial in the world.

The few additional slots SWA may end up getting in LGA are "peanuts" and won't even come remotely close to making them a legitimate contender in NYC. Not even close. Even if they get all of them, they will barely be a cute little child dressing up like daddy at take your kid to work day. The only 2 ways for SWA to get the NYC presence they need: a massive legacy fire sale or JB. That's it.
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Old 10-15-2011, 05:26 PM
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Slots are to be sold as two groups, and the same bidder cannot get both. So yes, LUV will probably get one group!
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Old 10-15-2011, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Slots are to be sold as two groups, and the same bidder cannot get both. So yes, LUV will probably get one group!
It is silly, because it still is a game of who has the deepest pockets and is the biggest (LCC) dog on the block. No doubt SWA and JB will each get a block in LGA, either will get the DCA block as well.
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Old 10-15-2011, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Slots are to be sold as two groups, and the same bidder cannot get both. So yes, LUV will probably get one group!
Or SWA will get them both (eventually)... One now, and Air Tran can buy the second (SWA gets it later post merger). After all, they are technically still separate carriers.....
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Old 10-15-2011, 08:21 PM
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No doubt SWA and JB will each get a block in LGA, either will get the DCA block as well.
I can't think of a better way to get low fares into LGA than allowing a carrier that merely brands itself a LCC (what is 'low cost' about Southwest today?) and one that has a huge presence in the NYC market already (B6, have you seen JFK?) to bid for these slots.

If they want fares to go down, just give the slots to Spirit - the #1 market from NYC is FLL, Spirit's hub. I don't think anyone debates that Spirit will undoubtably offer lower fares than anyone else.

It'll never happen, of course. Enjoy the flights to LAS, MDW, PHX, and BWI, folks (Southwest's 4 largest markets by passengers).
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:48 PM
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I can't think of a better way to get low fares into LGA than allowing a carrier that merely brands itself a LCC (what is 'low cost' about Southwest today?) and one that has a huge presence in the NYC market already (B6, have you seen JFK?) to bid for these slots.

If they want fares to go down, just give the slots to Spirit - the #1 market from NYC is FLL, Spirit's hub. I don't think anyone debates that Spirit will undoubtably offer lower fares than anyone else.

It'll never happen, of course. Enjoy the flights to LAS, MDW, PHX, and BWI, folks (Southwest's 4 largest markets by passengers).
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I believe there is a perimeter rule in effect for LGA that would prevent PHX and LAS from being non-stops.
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