Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071223)

I do agree that what the pilots are seeing from their Admin is not enough and they want more. Whether DALPA delivers or DPA happens to be a convent alternative lies solely with our pilots.

Wrt to the fpl issue what have your res said? I advocate accountability and recall if needed. DPA to me is a convent place to show anger. They may get to 50% of pilots sending in cards but the harsh reality is forcing sitting reps to change out the DALPA leader or recalling your reps to get someone that would solves the same issues and a lot more expeditiously than voting for an alternate union.

People like me see the same issues you do but for the logic listed above really prefer to take the action that fixes what we have. It is not an endorsement of the current MO.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1071234)

Maybe in the next election cycle pilots will run with DPA under their name.

I think there is somebody considering doing just that and I learned that when Slowplay mentioned it but the post was erased for TOS violation on page 3 of this thread.

Also, if someone is DPA and runs and wins would ALPA have them sign a NDA? Seems like they could easily be silenced? Just on the logistics it seems it might be difficult. Could an elected LEC member refuse a NDA?

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1071236)

Not that easy. Power lies in the committee chairs. Not so easy to replace them now is it.

Also, ALPA has horrendous potential legal issues/damages as well as a conflict of interest wrt regionals. How about dues and National bloat?

Now, what looks easier.

Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1071107)

Your last sentence is key. Like the tea party they are angry and have some good talking points. Unlike the tea party they don't have many people willing to stick their necks out. Last time I checked they still had nobody willing to be temporary base reps. Typical pilots. Like to ***** and moan but won't run for office. OUR apathy is our problem, not the name of the union. Look at the former north fas. They have gone from a national union to in house and back to national and whatever they are now. So has FDX. What will make us any different?

They don't have anyone welling to donate money either. That I find very strange. I would think a 1000 dollar donation from each Captain and a 500 dollar donation from each copilot who wants DPA would be minimal. Instead its like 11 bucks per pilot.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071313)

Here's one for ya. I would have no issue if every committee chair position was an elected position. I lean towards the reps voting for these guys since they know the players a lot better, but could be convinced for a Member vote with enough positive facts.

I am for our Chairman and the other three admins being elected by the pilot group and the reps have the ability to recall. (Like our President) I am also for all pilots voting for National President. Committee Chairs should be an election by the BOD. If they need to replace one who steps down, in this day and age, they can doing it over the internet.

I am for every rep being on a specific drafting committee that is picked at random, but once selected that LEC Rep position stays on that committee. I want all the resolutions given to the committees by lottery or random number draw.

I am for the monthly posting of FPL broken out by LEC and Admin. It also needs to be pilot specific. Pilots under 24J as well as those on FPL should have their work spelled out. For example, Duty Pilot, Representations, LEC office work, Aiding the Strategic Planning Committee.

Every LEC should get 30 FPL 24 J days a month per 1,200 pilots. Did you know that C44 has had almost 200 representations since the current guys took office? They need more time of to prepare for these as well as Represent the pilots. It is easy to say that one should know that getting in the job, but this sort of thing ebbs and flows.

I am for some sort of Web based LEC meeting, but as I have stated the end user issues that legal is freaking out about need to be dealt with first. I would push that.

Heck I could go on. My point is there are a lot of things that I would like to happen, but one guy cannot do it alone. Heck five guys cannot do it alone, it takes a group effort. The changes are possible and they would lead to a transparency of process that is not just desired but needed in this day and age. We may arrive at the same conclusions as we do now, but at least the pilot group would not be left wondering what the heck is really going on with this constant engagement.

As for the C54 FO Rep, spot on, he one of the smartest guys in the room. The few times that I have talked to him about the issue we currently face, and the ones coming over the horizon, he has a significant grasp on them. Better yet, he wants his pilots input on how to proceed. You know there are more pilots like him in every base. You may be one of them, but you have to get involved, run for a seat if you want to have the effect he is having.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1070856)

DPA seems like the answer to all things, but in reality it just happens to be present at a convenient time. What would be better is if some of these pilots got engaged and changed the course.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1071005)

I'm not advocating that we go backwards in DC contribution. But consider this. As a domestic narrowbody Captain last year I made about $130,000 on my W2. The average SWA domestic narrowbody Captain (even reserves like me) made over $230,000.

With our 14% DC contribution, I had about $18,200 contributed by the company into my accounts. With SWA's 9.3% DC match, their average Captain had $21,390 contributed by SWA into his/her account(s). Last time I checked, $21,390 is greater than $18,200. I'm just sayin'...

But I think we should be able to reasonably expect SWA W2 compensation as a bare minimum WITHOUT any reduction to our DC contribution percentage.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071048)

I am glad that pilots showed they were madder than all get out, but what really shows them is a recall effort.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071048)

Getting Mad at these meetings is still a lot of hot air. Put in to action and recall a rep or two if you are really mad.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071048)

On another note, many of the pilots I have talked to that were at that meeting stated to me that they question this admins ability to get them the contract they want. If that is the case, then you must either force your reps to change them out or, recall your reps to get someone that will.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071097)

No actually those guys see DPA as a way to divide the group,

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071097)

and blame when the contract does not meet expectations.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071097)

What really scares them is thinking of those guys uniting and basically taking over the MEC and Admin. Very doable, but the DPA pilots would have to unite to do it.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1071200)

They don't have anyone welling to donate money either. That I find very strange. I would think a 1000 dollar donation from each Captain and a 500 dollar donation from each copilot who wants DPA would be minimal. Instead its like 11 bucks per pilot.