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Carl Spackler 10-18-2011 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071217)
I asked about this resolution and lack of a final response last week. I too feel it is necessary for transparency.
Are you serious man? This has NOTHING to do with transparency. It has everything to do with LEGALITY under ALPA's own bylaws. This resolution being ignored by the MEC cannot happen...yet it IS happening. That's why all your bluster and chest beating about recalling reps and changing the bylaws is so silly.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071217)
The repines that I got was that this FPL resolution/amended resolution and final recommendation from the committee is on the agenda for the Nov MEC meeting.
Legal resolutions delayed = the will of the pilot group denied. End of story.

Carl

Carl Spackler 10-18-2011 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1071236)
Not that easy. Power lies in the committee chairs. Not so easy to replace them now is it.

Also, ALPA has horrendous potential legal issues/damages as well as a conflict of interest wrt regionals. How about dues and National bloat?

Now, what looks easier.
Absolutely correct.

Carl

acl65pilot 10-18-2011 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1071431)
Are you serious man? This has NOTHING to do with transparency. It has everything to do with LEGALITY under ALPA's own bylaws. This resolution being ignored by the MEC cannot happen...yet it IS happening. That's why all your bluster and chest beating about recalling reps and changing the bylaws is so silly.



Legal resolutions delayed = the will of the pilot group denied. End of story.

Carl
Look at the agenda for next months meeting. Not ignored, but I too agree that a result needs to come of it.

Reroute 10-18-2011 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1071431)
It has everything to do with LEGALITY under ALPA's own bylaws.

Carl
Carl, specifically, which by-law is being ignored, or is in non compliance?

Wasatch Phantom 10-19-2011 11:30 AM
ACL,

Thanks for answering my question so thoroughly and candidly.

BE24pilot 10-19-2011 04:19 PM
Couple of questions? First isn't the head of ALPA a Delta guy; second what is to stop the company from giving Delta pilots everything they want then filing for bankruptcy and letting the courts give out what they think are fair.

gloopy 10-19-2011 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by BE24pilot (Post 1072070)
Couple of questions? First isn't the head of ALPA a Delta guy; second what is to stop the company from giving Delta pilots everything they want then filing for bankruptcy and letting the courts give out what they think are fair.
Maybe because its a Bee Eff Dee to do into BK, especially these days, and is incredibly expensive. All to undo SWA plus reasonable premiums? Empty threat.

alfaromeo 10-19-2011 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by BE24pilot (Post 1072070)
Couple of questions? First isn't the head of ALPA a Delta guy; second what is to stop the company from giving Delta pilots everything they want then filing for bankruptcy and letting the courts give out what they think are fair.
You do realize that management works for the shareholders. In bankruptcy the shareholders get wiped out. Do you think the shareholders want the business plan to be built around them losing all their invested capital?

Seaslap8 10-20-2011 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1070151)
Really? You think our 70 hour reserve guarantee is NOT near the worst in the industry? You think our pathetic Scope language is the NOT the VERY worst in the industry? You think the fact that somebody like me at the top of the heap at Delta only makes about 25K per year more than an SWA First Officer is not nearly the worst pay? You think that a domestic 3 day trip worth 11 hours isn't an example of nearly the worst trip/duty rig in the industry?

Really man, if you think I'm hypoxic, what do they call someone who still has his new hire Kool-Aid flowing in his veins?

Carl
I was under the impression that the DAL pay rates, trip guarantees, duty rigs etc were much better than AMR, UAL/CAL, USAIR AMwest, but not as good as SWA.....No?

sailingfun 10-20-2011 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by BE24pilot (Post 1072070)
Couple of questions? First isn't the head of ALPA a Delta guy; second what is to stop the company from giving Delta pilots everything they want then filing for bankruptcy and letting the courts give out what they think are fair.
You can't file chapter 11 on a whim. You have to actually be bankrupt. In addition you lose all control of the company and risk many different very painful outcomes such as takeovers, breakups ect...
Delta came within 1 vote of just such a takeover/breakup when they filed before. If a solvent company files chapter 11 the creditors would simply take the assets and sell them shutting down the company. They would however get paid.
The role of the judge in a bankruptcy filing is to protect the creditors. By law that is what he has to do.


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