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Originally Posted by DAL73n
(Post 1069738)
The thing we need to remember is there are lots of ways to make more money other than a 50-60% pay raise.
Just a few off the top of my head: (no particular priority) 1. Better rigs (6hrs./calendar day (no more 10:30 3 days), 2. More pay for each day of vacation - 6 hours/day sounds good. Pay and credit for vacation. 3. Better distributed training pay (how about 1 minute of pay for every minute we have to watch the CD) 4. Better training pay for CQ (how about 6 hours/day including the travel day 5. DC plan increasing from 14% to at least 20%. Those are just a few quickies to make more money with the same or less work. Add that to say a 25% first year and 5% a year after that and you'll see some real nice increases in W2's with LESS work - if you need even more then you can work more. These numbers are just used for illustration purposes. Carl |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1069761)
Yes it does. If they want labor peace to do another deal, ALPA, If they and the ATA/IATA want to really have a go at it with foreign ownership, et al. DPA would implode the only voice on this side of the Atlantic that anyone listens to.
If they really have a go at it with foreign ownership et al, then once again ALPA is their obvious choice. Management sees what ALPA did with FT/DT, the 1500 hour rule and the like. Management knows full well that all ALPA needs is a "seat at the table" and ALPA will ultimately cave in. In either of your two scenarios above, ALPA is the obvious choice for management. And management is proving it every day by trying to kill the DPA. Carl |
Originally Posted by mvndc10
(Post 1069771)
There is little doubt ALPA will once again Fail the Delta Pilots:mad:.
Their day's are numbered......:eek:
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1069774)
Yet you're on the ballot for ALPA office...go figure.:rolleyes:
But then I realized that slowplay is not hypocritical at all on this because I don't recall any posts from slowplay stating that people should try to affect change in ALPA from within by getting involved. That's the LAST thing a slowplay would want because that cushy MEC job where you're home every night making max pay on full flight pay loss is something you don't ever want changed. Carl |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1069911)
FWIW, RA stated about a two years ago that those bag fees would be beneficial when it came to contract time. (Stated when pilots were complaining about the baggage fees)
Also, fares were successfully raised 10 times this year and I believe 8 times last year. The baggage fees are in reality one fee they got to add on and did not have to decouple the dollar amount from the ticket price when they added the baggage fee. Now if we could get a domestic fuel surcharge removed from the base fare, then we would be in business. Write your congressman :D No wonder RA wants to kill the DPA. Carl |
Originally Posted by Karnak
(Post 1069944)
I agree. It's that easy. Either ALPA gets the pilots what they want, or there could be an alternative.
Now answer these easy questions: 1. Should ALPA get what 25% of the pilots want...or what 75% of the pilots want?
Originally Posted by Karnak
(Post 1069944)
2. If ALPA recaptures what most of the pilots want, will the "not most" of the pilots recognize where they fit on the graph?
Originally Posted by Karnak
(Post 1069944)
3. Can you name the two ways any organization can determine what the majority of their group wants?
Carl |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1069950)
Oh, this should be fun. Let's take turns.
Answer: Cash
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1069950)
And here's my first question:
When a corporation pays down debt, what effect does that have on their net income? Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1069976)
Management knows full well that all ALPA needs is a "seat at the table" and ALPA will ultimately cave in.
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1069976)
No. If they want to continue their very profitable relationship with ALPA, then ALPA will be management's choice. The proof of this is how hard management is fighting to keep DPA off the property.
If they really have a go at it with foreign ownership et al, then once again ALPA is their obvious choice. Management sees what ALPA did with FT/DT, the 1500 hour rule and the like. Management knows full well that all ALPA needs is a "seat at the table" and ALPA will ultimately cave in. In either of your two scenarios above, ALPA is the obvious choice for management. And management is proving it every day by trying to kill the DPA. Carl |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1070001)
That's called leverage Carl, something DALPA/ALPA has failed to use to better our lives just recently infect. We knew the company wanted to get SOC done as quick as possible, mostly for Wall Street. We could have and should have asked for more, but instead we were promised MORE for LATER, after the $2 billion in synergies were realized. Instead, we got a substandard joint contract and now Delta will make $2 billion in baggage fees for this year and last. I think the accountant Pineapple Guy could even agree with that.
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At that net income, it's about $8.80 per passenger.
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