"Goindeparturegoodaysir"

Guess I'm improper.

 

I may be wrong, but I think 24G was referring more to properness of the wording rather than the correct length of it. I do agree with many of the more experienced pilots here that some situations force you to say less than ideal.. and not just that but it's purely annoying when other people drawl on and hog up the radio. But in most cases, you could be concise AND use the correct wording. I mean I'll use my example.. instead of saying, "N123AB is with you at three thousand" you could say "N123AB level three thousand." It didn't take longer to say it the second way. Some could argue that it's just a matter of being anal, but it doesn't hurt to be proper. Actually, for some it might. :P

 

ebonics is to english
as the "way we speak now" is to the FAR AIM

 

There are little things like "with you" and the 1.2 thing that bug me. But for the most part you don't hear the stuff mentioned from airline guys or corporate guys. You hear this crap from wannabes flying around the pattern in their cherokee 140 thinking they're airline pilots. The AA guy at ORD didn't do what I would have, but I've never been there and he was probably on his second leg of the day there. You screw up a taxi clearance and cause an incursion, it's your hide. Then again, you read it back just as perfectly and still screw up it's still your hide.

Another one that I hate, "Tower cezzzna 1234" then "Cessna 1234 ABC tower, go ahead". Followed by "ABC Tower, cezzna 1234 10 to the north, with delta, landing ABC". All of that could have been cut in half if the pilot got to the point in the first place.

 

I try to be respectful and avoid bashing when I can. I don't know everything but I know alot about flying and the world it exists in. I try to share things in a non "it's my way or no way" fashion but some just don't want to hear it despite it being the way it is. Someone who is by the book is much better than some renegade that subscribes to no rules. What I am talking about is essentially being a by the book guy with the wisdom to wiggle a little when the situation dictates. I would like to think of myself as this person. Very little anybody does "gets to me" anymore, especially on this forum. I swore off extreme hostility when I signed a peace treaty with Skyhigh. If he can't get a rise out of me, there is little hope of anyone else being able to. Fly safe guys!!

 

True, now just drop the word "level", which means "flight level" all over the world outside the U.S., and use "maintaining" instead and you'd have something that would not be ambiguous to foreign pilots also.

 

this is silly. who cares really? the controllers know what you mean. after all we are still speaking engish here. like we something else to worry about marking our pilot records.

the only thing that slighty bothers me is going into canada or mexico and hearing another language, I feel it takes some S.A. away, but w/e.

 

Like said before, when those foreign pilots (and controllers) start speaking in English (instead of their native tounge), then I'll worry a lot more about little variances such as the word "level".

For the most part, pilots and controllers (including foreign pilots operating in the states) have more issues with accents and pronounciation diversity (even amongst US citizens) than they do with understanding non-standard phraseology. Some of those folks from the NE (with strong Boston or NY accents), or the deep south, or Texas, can make life interesting.

 

AMEN! The last time I checked, the name of this forum was AIRLINE PILOTS Central. I'm sick and tired of hearing 50 hour wonders telling real pilots how it's supposed to be done. If you fly an airplane around that doesn't burn JetA, take your comments to Flightinfo or some AOPA forum.

 

Wow, I thought "abbreviated speak" existed in almost all professions. For example if you're in the movie business and you say to your assistant, "Bring me this weekend's BO", you are not requesting them to share their body odor from the past weekend, you merely want the weekend box office report.

Or better yet, in other busy situations where there is no time to waste on unnecessary words, like the ER or the OR (emergency room and operating room for you non-meds) you must know the lingo or get out of the kitchen. When someone hands you a piece of paper and says one word "STAT!" you do not have a dialogue about it - you know that whatever is on that piece of paper is to be performed immediately.

Packer Backer, does this mean that I cannot make comments here? I am not even a 50 hour wonder, but if you count pax hours, I'm up there with the big boys. I also don't burn JetA, although I may be later, after that burrito that I ate for lunch today