Delta and TPG look To put bid on AMR Corp
#31
OK...so if it happens, let's go ahead and perform the inevitable speculation and bantering about seniority.
Let me go on the record and suggest a staple-job for American, ALA what they did to TWA. They are bankrupt, right? So was TWA - see, it works perfect. I'm kidding. In reality, I would assume a relative seniority type of arrangement would be the likely outcome (via binding arbitration after we all beat each other up) and the end decision would be something like the DAL-NWA integration.
So...is there an American Pilot who can post up the number of pilots and ages of the AMR pilot group?
This is current Age and number of pilots on the Delta Seniority list as of October 16, 2011:
Age / Number
26 3
27 2
28 11
29 19
30 36
31 51
32 56
33 84
34 92
35 105
36 104
37 120
38 135
39 166
40 185
41 231
42 331
43 390
44 492
45 512
46 529
47 514
48 508
49 624
50 721
51 819
52 828
53 877
54 814
55 672
56 552
57 480
58 377
59 319
60 238
61 160
62 112
63 22
64 9
Let me go on the record and suggest a staple-job for American, ALA what they did to TWA. They are bankrupt, right? So was TWA - see, it works perfect. I'm kidding. In reality, I would assume a relative seniority type of arrangement would be the likely outcome (via binding arbitration after we all beat each other up) and the end decision would be something like the DAL-NWA integration.
So...is there an American Pilot who can post up the number of pilots and ages of the AMR pilot group?
This is current Age and number of pilots on the Delta Seniority list as of October 16, 2011:
Age / Number
26 3
27 2
28 11
29 19
30 36
31 51
32 56
33 84
34 92
35 105
36 104
37 120
38 135
39 166
40 185
41 231
42 331
43 390
44 492
45 512
46 529
47 514
48 508
49 624
50 721
51 819
52 828
53 877
54 814
55 672
56 552
57 480
58 377
59 319
60 238
61 160
62 112
63 22
64 9
#32
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 581
Not to pick on you but the track record of Delta's senior management team and DALPA with respect to the DAL-NWA merger hasn't produced growth for our pilots. (It's been a boon for the likes of the (too numerous to mention) DCI carriers, along with AF/KLM, ALK, etc.)
The major benefit to an acquisition of AMR would be industry consolidation and the removal of seats from the market. That same removal means fewer pilot jobs. If DAL-NWA resulted in fewer mainline pilot jobs (it has) I don't see a merger with AMR resulting in synergistic pilot job growth.
Please tell me how I'm wrong...
#34
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
I agree and DTW is a powerhouse in the making. DAL realized this as well.
There are assets of AMR that DAL would gladly gobble up. Parker will have to move now, and then they can decide how to spit assets. If this is a game of chicken, we can always drive up the price, hurt LCC, they can sell PHX to LUV, they get DFW and we go and buy ALK. Only issue is DAL really needs MIA and a DFW location for a hub. They also need a terminal in JFK, and I suspect that after B6 and LCC get what they want out of the AMR mess(their JFK terminals) we get the B6 terminal for our domestic birds.
Heck throw in an aircraft order too. It really is all on the table.
There are assets of AMR that DAL would gladly gobble up. Parker will have to move now, and then they can decide how to spit assets. If this is a game of chicken, we can always drive up the price, hurt LCC, they can sell PHX to LUV, they get DFW and we go and buy ALK. Only issue is DAL really needs MIA and a DFW location for a hub. They also need a terminal in JFK, and I suspect that after B6 and LCC get what they want out of the AMR mess(their JFK terminals) we get the B6 terminal for our domestic birds.
Heck throw in an aircraft order too. It really is all on the table.
Some of you yahoo's already got AA sliced and diced and are already calculating your next bids and advancement schedules.
God, I love airline pilots. Complete idiots, but a blast to watch and listen too.
#37
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,524
One thing is for certain: if there is an AA fragmentation it won't be because of Delta. It will be happening anyway and DL may or may not play a part in it. Odds are that other airlines will as well, regardless of how much AA survives in tact and/or fully merges.
Also, AE will be shrunk dramatically unless AA survives as a stand alone with very little asset sales...AND...if the AA pilots gut their own scope. But if they are willing to do that to the extent necessary to preserve AE (replacing 50 seaters with 100/100+seaters) they would be just as willing to bargain away other portions of their scope to facilitate a more favorable fragmentation even if that ends up happening.
Other than maybe a very few, very senior, pilots living in ORD, MIA and DFW, no one at Delta is salivating over this because for every scenario that would cause positive movement for the DL list, there is one that causes significant stagnation and several that will cause massive career changing furloughs.
Other than running up the price for a competitor in a bidding war or getting a very few assets here or there in a full (unlikely) or partial (more likely) or very partial (most likely) fragmentation, a full on merger with AA will be absolutely horriffic for DL pilots.
#38
I've heard about good deals for us time and time again, but at the end of the day, I'm not any better off (financially) than I was 10 years ago. I'm not any better off (seniority wise) than I was 5 years ago. In fact, I'm worse off.
Many reps feel this way? I hope you're correct. I really hope that all of them feel this way.
#39
FWIW, I really think this would be a horrible deal for every pilot involved. I'm almost sure I would be on the street and the massive retirements we are looking at at both airlines would just offset the reduction in flying resulting in more stagnation for everyone. I'm hoping AA pulls out of this as a stand alone carrier and we all move on, not looking that way at this point however.
#40
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