Actual Airline Pay
02-21-2012 | 06:06 AM
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Wow.
You really shouldn't post numbers like these on public message boards. Some manager will see this and feel justified in the fact that we make way too much money just sitting there pushing buttons and ask for more givebacks.
By the way my numbers look very much the same, I wonder why the press never references stuff like this when quoting airline pilot pay?
You really shouldn't post numbers like these on public message boards. Some manager will see this and feel justified in the fact that we make way too much money just sitting there pushing buttons and ask for more givebacks.
By the way my numbers look very much the same, I wonder why the press never references stuff like this when quoting airline pilot pay?
I feel it is critically important to post these numbers for everyone to see. Embarrassing? - Yep. Humiliating? - Absolutely.
Numbers don't lie. I want every pilot who aspires to fly for a major airline to take a long, hard look. You have a very good chance of looking back 10 - 15 years from now and seeing very similar numbers on your W2's.
02-21-2012 | 07:07 AM
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I feel it is critically important to post these numbers for everyone to see. Embarrassing? - Yep. Humiliating? - Absolutely.
Numbers don't lie. I want every pilot who aspires to fly for a major airline to take a long, hard look. You have a very good chance of looking back 10 - 15 years from now and seeing very similar numbers on your W2's.
Numbers don't lie. I want every pilot who aspires to fly for a major airline to take a long, hard look. You have a very good chance of looking back 10 - 15 years from now and seeing very similar numbers on your W2's.
02-21-2012 | 07:37 AM
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There have been some discussions about airline pilot pay on this forum recently. In light of this I though it would be enlightening to post a little fact versus fiction. Below are my ACTUAL W2 earnings as a major airline pilot represented by ALPA. Just for reference, I was hired 12 years ago at the age of 30.
2000 - $27,122.15
2001 - $51,273.64
2002 - $75,214.61
2003 - $22,348.90
2004 - $0.00
2005 - $0.00
2006 - $29,185.11
2007 - $69,144.68
2008 - $84,951.73
2009 - $64,640.60
2010 - $2,490.22
2011 - $0.00
2012 - $0.00
Total - $426,371.64
Average income for the 9 years I was on property - $47,374.63 / year
(Including partial years)
Average income for the 12 years since I was hired - $35,530.97 / year
Enjoy!
2000 - $27,122.15
2001 - $51,273.64
2002 - $75,214.61
2003 - $22,348.90
2004 - $0.00
2005 - $0.00
2006 - $29,185.11
2007 - $69,144.68
2008 - $84,951.73
2009 - $64,640.60
2010 - $2,490.22
2011 - $0.00
2012 - $0.00
Total - $426,371.64
Average income for the 9 years I was on property - $47,374.63 / year
(Including partial years)
Average income for the 12 years since I was hired - $35,530.97 / year
Enjoy!
02-21-2012 | 09:21 AM
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Seeing how some of those amounts probably due to ALPA's view that quantity of jobs is better than quality, I'd say it's not all that ignorant. At some point we (not just ALPA) decided it was better to hold onto our jobs and water down the industry, rather than preserve fewer jobs with higher QOL....
02-21-2012 | 10:50 AM
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Seeing how some of those amounts probably due to ALPA's view that quantity of jobs is better than quality, I'd say it's not all that ignorant. At some point we (not just ALPA) decided it was better to hold onto our jobs and water down the industry, rather than preserve fewer jobs with higher QOL....
Combine that with how much the guy had to fly and be away from home due to ALPA negotiating away the trip/duty rig provisions for the narrow body aircraft, yet retaining it on the wide body. Because, again, it's all about the senior guys.
Note/disclaimer: That's NOT a slam an ALL the senior guys. There are many the that "get it". But that doesn't change the FACT that the prevailing mentality of ALPA and every other unionized carrier has always been that way, and always will be that way.
02-21-2012 | 11:18 AM
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Seeing how some of those amounts probably due to ALPA's view that quantity of jobs is better than quality, I'd say it's not all that ignorant. At some point we (not just ALPA) decided it was better to hold onto our jobs and water down the industry, rather than preserve fewer jobs with higher QOL....
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02-21-2012 | 11:34 AM
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Seeing how some of those amounts probably due to ALPA's view that quantity of jobs is better than quality, I'd say it's not all that ignorant. At some point we (not just ALPA) decided it was better to hold onto our jobs and water down the industry, rather than preserve fewer jobs with higher QOL....
Combine that with how much the guy had to fly and be away from home due to ALPA negotiating away the trip/duty rig provisions for the narrow body aircraft, yet retaining it on the wide body. Because, again, it's all about the senior guys.
Note/disclaimer: That's NOT a slam an ALL the senior guys. There are many the that "get it". But that doesn't change the FACT that the prevailing mentality of ALPA and every other unionized carrier has always been that way, and always will be that way.
If you were to look at pay scales at UAL over 27 years, you'd see that the net percentage gain is greater in the narrow bodies. The UAL MEC that was in office during the first few years was mostly narrow body pilots.
If Glenn Tilton had gotten his way, there would not have been any narrow body airplanes at United. TED was meant to be a non-union low cost carrier. I'm surprised it didn't happen, given the high-powered, corrupt, sociopathic scum he was working with.
When our pensions got flushed, the senior guys lost a lot of potential earning power due to the short time left to make it up, as well as a much higher dollar value lost due to the longer time invested in their pensions.
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