cubguy

Parker already stated that the contract included ALL groups.
I would think USAPA gone at that point. Thank God!

eaglefly

Those are only the age 65 minimums. Medicals and early-outs will improve that. However, at least on the AA side, all aircraft orders are for replacement only (for now). Not sure of U's orders (perhaps you could handle that). Combined carreirs frequently streamline downward though and effeciencies may involve a slightly smaller fleet plan. It would be good news for those on property though and hope for those on furlough waiting to return.

eaglefly

Have to be a representational vote. APA would beat USAPA considering the bad taste in the mouths of the westies. Of course, former TWA might not vote for APA. I suppose ALPA would try to get a grass roots thing going to get on the ballot, but considering former TWA pilots are about to bankrupt them, I doubt anyone would sign up for that. ALPA has about 80-90 million and the TWA pilots are asking for upwards of over a billion. Of course, you can't get blood out of a rock, so ALPA likely would be broke (and bankrupt) and have to go to the membership (especially Delta) for one back-breaking initial re-starting assesment and likely a substantially higher dues rate (perhaps double). Remember, at this point, it's my undersatnding ALPA is uninsurable and thus would have to self-fund, so HUGE $$$ will be needed to remain viable. Unfortunately, I believe the Air Tran pilots are next in the ALPA lawsuit line (that never seems to end) and thus 5 years from now, it may start all over again with poor ALPA pant-leg clutchers and lackies once again taken to the cleaners.

At any rate, on a hypothetical note it would be interesting though if ALPA did come back on AA property as then former TWA pilots would be suing themselves and be both plaintiff and defendent, but I suppose they could just move their money from one pocket to the other though.

izzy

Fhut the ruk is a usapa?

buddies8

TWA pilots have valid grievances. But even theTWA pilots have to be resonable, APA protected APA pilots, ALPA sold out ALPA pilots because it was trying to get AA pilots to vote ALPA. ALPA F-ed TWA pilots, TWA F-ed back and won in court and ALPA is not wanted by most ALPA reresented pilot groups. DAL is somwhere in posible new union, UCAL, wait til one either CAL or UAL group gets screwed and they will be suing hust like AirTran is suing ALPA.

ALPA works this way,
question- will alpa get mor money in dues if we screw these pilots
question-will alpa be better positioned to control most pilot flying, then screw the pilots
question-will alpa be better positioned to possibly regain a foothold in this company if we screw already alpa reprsented pilots you betcha-ask twa pilts and ask eagle pilots and now ask air tran

ALPA has a snow ball chance in hell of even being considered. ALPA has a very poor track record last 15 years.

eaglefly

APA had no DFR obligations to the TWA pilots, ALPA did. Yes, ALPA has no chance at AA and likely is a dying duck. My guess is the Herndon boyz club is milking their bloated salaries for as long as possible. They're all millionaires by now anyways. Of course, usually the child looks up to his father and looks what's happening over at Eagle ALPA. From what I've read, if there was ever an out-of-control group, it's that feifdom.

buddies8

That is what I meant, there grievances to ALPA, APA did the job it was supposed to.

The Eagle MEC chair and Vice Chair both sitting fat lards goatee'd shafting AE pilots. Lets see how they will try to get themselves over to AA and how they will sell out the pilots at AE again.

As a side note ALPA national is withholding ORD from having a base meeting now 7 months because there must be placed on the agenda a recall of the ORD ALPA Reps. What this will do is the MEC will lose its one vote majority on ramming a contract down the throats of the pilots of AE. This also would lose ALPA national and the MEC there one vote majority of keeping the current MEC Chair and Vice Chair in power. ALPA national has been aware for many months of the correscpondence back and forth but has not enforced there bylaws by instructing the reps of ORD to hold a meeting. It has been 7 months and no base meeting.

shiznit

So many fallacies in your post, accurate information has been posted too many times for me to bother again...

eaglefly

Goatee's ?

Doesn't EGL appearance standards and the O2 mask requirements prohibit this ?

Are they not flying again, like the last gasbag MEC Chair who didn't touch an airplane and didn't have to put his job on the line with the "3 strikes" checking event policy for a whopping 7 years ?

Yet not a single pilot contacts a lawyer and persue's DFR. Sad. I feel for you.......at this rate reps will start drinking too much on the membership's dime and falling over while laughing their arses off.

eaglefly

As you wish...............