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Old 05-15-2012 | 07:43 PM
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No amount of pay-raise will make up for the loss of seniority and career stagnation that an Alaska or another merger will create for our bottom feeders.

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Old 05-15-2012 | 08:12 PM
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Old 05-15-2012 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And just what would DPA do?
I don't F'ing care. ALPA would lose $38 million per year if they get voted out, that's for sure. 4,8,3,3 would be a joke. Big NO vote from me. Then, re-up my DPA card, and get others to do the same. Time value of money can screw it. The company needs something now. Leverage lost if it is true.
Old 05-15-2012 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
I don't F'ing care. ALPA would lose $38 million per year if they get voted out, that's for sure. 4,8,3,3 would be a joke. Big NO vote from me. Then, re-up my DPA card, and get others to do the same. Time value of money can screw it. The company needs something now. Leverage lost if it is true.
Im with you Bill. I hope I am wrong. I truly hope I can bite my own tongue. Alpa has lost its way. Again, I will bite my tongue, if I am proven wrong.

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Old 05-15-2012 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by whatsitdoinnow
If this TA isn't dogsh't it makes me wonder what is going on with all the hurry on the company's part? Can someone say merger? Or pieces/parts of another carrier. Well, regardless I'm voting on section 1 separate from the rest of the TA. Anyone else?
probably planning a quick trip to ch11 followed by a deeply concessionary contract with a 10 year duration
Old 05-15-2012 | 10:13 PM
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Not to be a Debbie Downer..but let's not negotiate this in public. Love the speculation but let's not guide us through this process through our speculation. Keep it clean and keep it real.
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
No amount of pay-raise will make up for the loss of seniority and career stagnation that an Alaska or another merger will create for our bottom feeders.

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No contract or TA will have any effect on a decision of management to merge or not merge the airline. Management can merge tomorrow with any airline they want. The new contract has zero bearing on those decisions unless we manage to scope out Alaska. That would force management to make a move to purchase the airline. There would be no other choice for management if they are going to protect the feed for SEA and LAX.
If we attempted to do that flying ourselves it would create a bloodbath that would result in large losses for both airlines. We don't have the gates or facilities to ramp up the flying regardless.
A reduction in the Alaska code share would have to be phased in over time however Alaska is not likely to go along with such a approach. In the end a merger may be the best overall option for Delta and Delta pilots.
Old 05-16-2012 | 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
I don't F'ing care. ALPA would lose $38 million per year if they get voted out, that's for sure. 4,8,3,3 would be a joke. Big NO vote from me. Then, re-up my DPA card, and get others to do the same. Time value of money can screw it. The company needs something now. Leverage lost if it is true.
So it is just blind rage that fuels your fire. Got it. great strategy.
Old 05-16-2012 | 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Im with you Bill. I hope I am wrong. I truly hope I can bite my own tongue. Alpa has lost its way. Again, I will bite my tongue, if I am proven wrong.

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Based on what?
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Originally Posted by gonyon
probably planning a quick trip to ch11 followed by a deeply concessionary contract with a 10 year duration
gee who else did they do that to recently? Oh yeah Pinnacle.....make them buy Mesaba, give them a great contract all of a sudden, after 6 years of stagnant negotiations, then force them to bankruptcy and gut the contract....
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