Doesn't matter in that case. Just say NO!

 

exactly...but my god if I ever see a 717 or anything larger than a -200 with "operated by XXXX" on the nose, other than those that are already out there, God help us all!

 

So again, we can talk about a Delta TA and not what 9e pay is.

 

I think the AT B717's have a MGTOW which exceeds 115,000 lbs as does the C-Series jet. The CRJ900 is already outsourced, so that's nothing new. While DAL does control the fleet of 9E, I don't think they control the contract negotiations. It's likely your current management team is trying to open all options. Their asking of rates for 86 seats and 115,000 lbs is completely unrelated to Delta pilot negotiations. I'd say it's more likely to do with AMR, and it's still a huge long shot.

 

still don't get it do you? What have you added to the conversation/speculation? when looking at YOUR proposed rates you want to know the rates of the enemy....especially when management would love to outsource it to a 26 year old CA willing to fly it for $80/hr. Again, you're not thinking SCOPE. That's all gentlemen I'll go back to my own sandbox now and play.

 

What is it that you want to talk about? The MEC and Company have done a top notch job at not leaking anything definitive.

The Delta pilot will vote what the Delta pilot will. And if we all had our own vote that'd be about 10,000 different votes.

 

I understand scope if thats what your asking. We are not going to vote in a B scale. The first thing I will look at if we get to vote is the Scope. So relax. I'm just not a fan of your contact issues with 9e on a Delta forum. Trust me, I fly with enough guys that Scope is a big issue on this contract. We don't need a RJ savior on here preaching to us.

 

Not preaching anything, just thought you might want to know current factual pay rates for other companies flying mainline equipment(which were mentioned 1 time, you'd think we posed 25 times about it) Thanks for the RJ knock though, forgot your roots huh? we all know a MD FO is 3 times better than any RJ CA no matter what his prior experience is. Lets not forget this whole 9e pay started out as a 1 line joke about shamrupcies after a new contract. ...adios and good luck on the TA

 

What ever happened to competition? This teamwork/alliance BS is stagnating our careers. Squash Alaska and get over it.

Respectfully, look around. Look at what you see and hear. As an Alpa Pac supporter, I am one of ALPA's number one fans. Recently (past 2 years), I have been trying to look at the BIG picture without any bias. What I see is an industry picked apart and reduced to nothing more than a job. It seems ALPA is more interested in revenue creation and political agendas that benefit their establishment. I mean, for Pete's Sake, the industry is in upheaval and all ALPA cares about is Crew pass

In a way, it feels like the UNION has become a pro management tool. What was once a fierce contender, negotiator and proponent of safety and career progression has become a little "soft", imho. RESTORATION should have been the bottom line. Yet all I hear is less than 30% and more relief on scope.

Like I said, maybe these rumors about a pathetic raise and urgency of TA have got me a little up-tight and defensive. I will stand corrected and bite my tongue if I am wrong.

Respectfully,

TEN

** I also realize we are negotiating for the good of the WHOLE group. I realize some pilots are almost ready to retire, thus a little timid to ask for more. While younger guys might be a little more Gung-Ho, and want the whole world. I realize and understand this.

 

No one knows that better than management. We have to start repairing holes in the boat and bailing out the water though. We can't just plug some, drill others and try to time it so it stays afloat just in time to drop the next group off at the dock as we head back to sea in a broken ship. There will always be pilots "one contract away" from retirement but we can't let that be used to further undermine this battered profession.