I am really hoping DALPA does a great job and gets us a lot of what we want as a group. If they miss the boat and try to give away a lot, especially after the contract survey, then I will think they aren't representing us the way we want. That is when I will turn to someone else, and right now that is the DPA. I really hope DALPA comes through, though. No pressure! Use the leverage we obviously have.

 

Split - As in the Mason/Dixon line or the Blue and the Gray? Just curious if it's split among pre-merger lines (ie..Compass).

 

Was his name Mookie Sr.? HAHA.

Baja.

 

Agreed...Count me as another NO!

Baja.

 

Unknown but it did not sound like it. It was just the impression that I got. It sounded like many reps are really debating their vote.

Fnwa only has SEA DTW and MSP.that's only six votes. Even that is significant.

 

It would behoove us greatly if a large contingent showed up to the voting process on Monday!

 

That would be 100% accurate if we were an in-house union like SWAPA, but we're represented by a national union. A national union with a clearly stated agenda that they will use all the tools available to them to ensure that pilot contracts are not "self-serving", but rather embody what is best for the industry as a whole...as defined by ALPA.

With this in mind, the education given to us and our MEC by the subject matter experts at ALPA really is important. Cabotage and the Export/Import Bank are just a few of the recent examples. Yet ALPA is silent on the devastation of RJ outsourcing of major pilot jobs...even though it's been far more disastrous to us than anything we've ever seen. Why no education on the outsourcing disaster? Why no education on the fact that labor law doesn't allow us to fight in order to get our outsourced jobs back once we let them go? Really important facts for a union to send out to their members, don't you think? Yet ALPA and DALPA is absolutely silent on the issue. They even refuse to use the term "outsourcing."

You're right in that we are ultimately responsible for eveything, but given what I've stated above, you cannot give ALPA national a free pass on this. If ALPA were to come out with a communique of the facts I've outlined above PRIOR to our upcoming vote on this TA, it would be voted down by a large margin if it contains more outsourcing. But ALPA will do no such thing.

Carl

 

Actually, those numbers I used are pretty close to my min and depend on increased money due to the other changes I mentioned (min day, better vacation and training pay, etc). I do know that any thing less than 10 dos/10 1/1/13 and @ least 4/year for Colas would be insulting and shouldn't make it out of the MEC but I may be wrong.

 

One thing I haven't seen mentioned so far it the Wall Street effect. Once the TA is public (assuming it is sent to us for ratification) it won't take very long for Wall Street to react to it in some way (positive or negative) as far as the long term costs for Delta as a company and it's expected profitability. They are not going to wait for ratification because just like the announce of the TA they will assume that we will ratify it and Wall Street Analysts will do some of the work for us to estimate the increased costs to the expected profitability of the company - if we see a bunch of downgrades of Delta stock by Wall Street that means they think the contract is too expensive for Delta and if we see a bunch of upgrades on the stock it means they think that Delta put one over on the pilots to maintain a good cost structure going forward - just thinking of another way we might be able to evaluate the contract rather than just relying on DALPA or all the great work all the APCers do on lots of areas. Just thinking!

 

For that we'd need to see the contract survey results, and compare it to the TA. There is no reason that we can't see the survey results once the TA has been voted on.