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Old 05-18-2012 | 04:36 PM
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Managements' wet dream, it is!!


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Old 05-18-2012 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
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Had a buddy send me the same table, however chose not to post it.
Few more days and we'll all know exactly what this proposed TA has in it.

Not worth get all hung up on rumors and conjecture.
Old 05-18-2012 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Had a buddy send me the same table, however chose not to post it.
Few more days and we'll all know exactly what this proposed TA has in it.

Not worth get all hung up on rumors and conjecture.
I couldn't decide either. In the end, if it is the correct table, I was hoping for more for the DAL pilots.
Old 05-18-2012 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
I couldn't decide either. In the end, if it is the correct table, I was hoping for more for the DAL pilots.
Yeah, you got my vote there.
I think most are more concerned with section one scope.
We can always negotiate hard for better compensation, but once we "give away" jobs there gone for good. (moreorless)
Old 05-18-2012 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Had a buddy send me the same table, however chose not to post it.
Few more days and we'll all know exactly what this proposed TA has in it.

Not worth get all hung up on rumors and conjecture.
My goad guys. FTB made that chart the first day the TA came out. It was sent to the UAL MEC and then it came official.
Old 05-18-2012 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
My goad guys. FTB made that chart the first day the TA came out. It was sent to the UAL MEC and then it came official.
I believe you!
Old 05-18-2012 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
My goad guys. FTB made that chart the first day the TA came out. It was sent to the UAL MEC and then it came official.
It's absolutely hilarious that a chart that ftb made on one of the rumors is "official."
Old 05-18-2012 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I listened to the broadcast. No where does he say they plan is to get more. You should go back and listen again. He only states they plan to get rid of small RJ's to help in the fuel cost area. He does state they did the deal early with us to help in that but nothing is said about getting more larger RJ's. If you are posting your impression or inference then say so but don't change what is stated.
Originally Posted by BigGuns
Delta management wants more RJs

Sailing.... Go to minute 19:50 of the webcast that Ed just did on May 17. You can hear the words from his mouth.... He said the primary reason for the early deal with the pilots was to accelerate the RJ parking and get more. Here's the link. Webcasts Go to the May 17 webcast.
Ed says at 19:50:

"The third area of non fuel opportunity that we have is the continued elimination of unprofitable aircraft, particularly small gauged aircraft, the fifty seat aircraft and one of the opportunities that we will have gong forward and one of the reasons we announced the deal and we did the deal with our pilots is to give us flexibility to continue to move along those lines to reduce more small aircraft flying. More to come in the next few months ... .

In addition listen at 30:20, during the Q&A

"I would not say less reliance, I would say different reliance. We are going to reduce the number of shells that we have in the regional space and that is really being driven by economics as well as customer preference. There is a strong preference for the mainline aircraft across our customers and we will be changing the mix as we move forward of the regional space, but I would not say we are reducing reliance. It may be a bit less, but it is still going to be a very significant contributor to our airline."


The Q & A response was a bit more forthcoming. "not less reliance, different reliance" with a "reduced number of shells." That's up-gauging with both the largest most advanced RJ's and probably even some mainline.

But again I stress, the 50 seater was a replacement for a 35 seat turboprop which happened to have the legs and cost structure to enable it to also reach up to nail 727 flying. Aviation historians not how the 767 pretty much pushed the 747-200 out of the Atlantic market.

ALPA's telling people my numbers on CASM are wrong according to Delta management. Fine, my numbers were what Delta reported to the DOT and then correlated by Southwest Airlines reporting on the 717's. However, the numbers are close enough to tell the story. A Next Gen CRj 900 is easily competitive with a 717. Just look at which airplane sold better, even though the RJ is a whole hell of a lot more expensive to acquire.
Old 05-18-2012 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
It's absolutely hilarious that a chart that ftb made on one of the rumors is "official."
I did not have the heart to say anything until now. I did have a UAL MEC member forward me it. I had to call him and tll him where it came from. He dropped the phone.

FTB is just that good.
Old 05-18-2012 | 05:20 PM
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The sad part is that they seem to be thrilled about it since its so much more than their rates!
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