Odds of Delta TA passing
05-29-2012 | 02:31 AM
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Oh, and all those 50s will STILL be with us. Just no 70s. I am quite sure management can live with that.
05-29-2012 | 02:32 AM
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More 76 seaters..50 seaters were already out the door
Your 20 percent figure does not include inflation...so that makes it about 10 percent.
Profit sharing reduced...so that takes another 2 percent off the raise..total raise now 8 percent over 3 year period.
New work rules require less pilots...so there goes your growth.
Your right...it is a no-brainer.
Your 20 percent figure does not include inflation...so that makes it about 10 percent.
Profit sharing reduced...so that takes another 2 percent off the raise..total raise now 8 percent over 3 year period.
New work rules require less pilots...so there goes your growth.
Your right...it is a no-brainer.
I hope you have a long time horizon.. The 50s ain't going out the door for another 12 years...
05-29-2012 | 04:01 AM
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I have not been reading the forums over the holiday weekend but would like to through something into the pot. In my extended family, I have some people on the management side of labor, big business and not applebees. I showed them parts of the TA and the change from our old contract. They laughed at how little we receive with the leverage we had. They had been casually reading about the Delta news for awhile, because I am a pilot with Delta.
Before all of the YES voters go running to the polls. Talk to people who are not in aviation, both in management and labor. They will give you the correct reality check. Management wins BIG with this one and we, as Mongo would say,” are just pawns in where choo choo go”
Before all of the YES voters go running to the polls. Talk to people who are not in aviation, both in management and labor. They will give you the correct reality check. Management wins BIG with this one and we, as Mongo would say,” are just pawns in where choo choo go”
05-29-2012 | 05:27 AM
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How do you figure? The 717s are coming... well SOME of them anyway. As soon as they get to 767 airframes, the games can begin. They WILL switch those 70s to 76s. Then.. they can retire older mainline airframes with zero penalties. Denny is absolutely right about that. I have no clue what you are referring to when you mention the company is in no position to do that..
Oh, and all those 50s will STILL be with us. Just no 70s. I am quite sure management can live with that.
Oh, and all those 50s will STILL be with us. Just no 70s. I am quite sure management can live with that.
05-29-2012 | 06:12 AM
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How will they get rid of the 70's? Are they not under lease? They cannot figure out how to get rid of the 50's on their own, but the 70's will be gone if we don't cooperate? I am sure the company has a plan B if we turn down this TA. Too bad our union does not. Our union's plan A is ignore the survey results, get a TA done at all costs by giving concessions, then strongly recommend TA to our pilot group with the hope that we are too trusting and naive to vote it down. Time will tell is our union is right.
05-29-2012 | 06:25 AM
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They could also trade a three or more 50's for C-Series, but as Slow says that does not solve the DCI CPA problem. There are way to fix that too.
One would be to have DAL pilots fly the C-series on a certificate owned by the DCI carrier. They get the benefits of the agreement and DAL pays the pilot costs directly. Kind of like Song though it was wholly owned. Many DCI carriers would probably be willing to amend their CPA's to have that new long term agreement. It effectively is a dry rate pro ratta thing.
It ain't going to happen, but solutions are out there.
05-29-2012 | 07:50 AM
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They could also trade a three or more 50's for C-Series, but as Slow says that does not solve the DCI CPA problem. There are way to fix that too.
One would be to have DAL pilots fly the C-series on a certificate owned by the DCI carrier. They get the benefits of the agreement and DAL pays the pilot costs directly. Kind of like Song though it was wholly owned. Many DCI carriers would probably be willing to amend their CPA's to have that new long term agreement. It effectively is a dry rate pro ratta thing.
It ain't going to happen, but solutions are out there.
One would be to have DAL pilots fly the C-series on a certificate owned by the DCI carrier. They get the benefits of the agreement and DAL pays the pilot costs directly. Kind of like Song though it was wholly owned. Many DCI carriers would probably be willing to amend their CPA's to have that new long term agreement. It effectively is a dry rate pro ratta thing.
It ain't going to happen, but solutions are out there.
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