I think we all need to be looking at each other for support and not blame.
This whole us versus us as pilots mentality has done more harm than mismanaging CEOs and corrupt union officials combined.

Lets just see how this things pan out first, no need to get all hot and bothered by something that hasn't occurred.

I don't think you need to worry about this thing passing, I think it's a longshot at best, but that's just me.

 

Bet my buddy a lap dance it passes in the 52-59%. The ALPA PR machine is running enough to get those results.

 

Under the current contract we allow up to 255 51-76 seaters. We currently have 153 76 seaters and 102 70 seaters. All the company has to do to get up to 255 76 seaters is add 34 aircraft to mainline above 767. So the minute we get to 801 mainline aircraft there can be 255 76 seaters. This is under the current contract. If Delta management goes ahead with the 717s without this TA, Delta will reach the threshold by the end of 2015. The TA limits 76 seaters to 223. 32 less than can be had above. In the above senario with the current contract, I can see Delta management doing a pump and dump.

I'm not saying I like it but I don't like what could happen under our current contract either......

Good Luck with yours...

Denny

 

This is misleading. Yes they could grow the 76 seaters under our contract if mainline hits the threshold. However, they could not reach 255 76 seaters without dumping every single 70 seater. They are at the limit on both. To increase 1 76 seater they would have to dump 1 70 seater.

 

Sorry if you think I was misleading. Didn't mean to be. Yes you are correct, all the 70 seaters would be converted to 76 seaters. Do you think my premise that Delta management still gets the 717's and pumps and dumps is viable?

In my estimation, what we are really talking about is allowing 70 more 70 seaters versus 76 seaters. This is based on the ability of the company to get more 76 seaters under the current contract after meeting the criteria in my previous post.

Denny

 

just curious....but why are so many of you voting NO? 20% pay raise, and tighter scope. A drop of DCI aircraft by 150 and 5000 seats. Increase in mainline flying by 88 aircraft and 10,000 seats. Its pretty unusual that you get better pay and scope. Maybe Im missing something here but it seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

Viable yes. However, I am not sure what position the company is in to be ale to dump those 70 seaters. I do not see it as likely to happen. Completely different than trading in 50 seaters.

 

More 76 seaters..50 seaters were already out the door
Your 20 percent figure does not include inflation...so that makes it about 10 percent.
Profit sharing reduced...so that takes another 2 percent off the raise..total raise now 8 percent over 3 year period.
New work rules require less pilots...so there goes your growth.
Your right...it is a no-brainer.

 

I hesitate to respond to these posts, as they're all pretty much the same.

How does your 19.7% payrate increase sound if we're still negotiating in 2-3 years with NO pay increase? I'm not playing the fear card, just weighing my options. Of course I'd rather have that 19.7% indexed up with inflation but that's not the offer on the table.

2 Choices:

1. Vote Yes - Known result and definitely more $ in the bank. Not as much as any of us want, but way better than the rest of our industry peers.

2. Vote No - Spin the wheel. Will we get more? Will we be told to pound sand, and see you at the end of the NMB cycle in 29 months??

Not trying to be confrontational. I just don't get the whole "ALPA's ignoring inflation" argument. We all want more money, but how much are you losing against inflation if you don't have any pay increases for the next 3 years? Honest question.

 

You shouldn't want to get a lap dance from your buddy.

What are you SFO based or something!

Carl