I'm Voting for the TA
05-30-2012 | 12:44 PM
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05-30-2012 | 12:45 PM
#32
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I'm curious what happens if we actually hold the line on scope. These 76 seat jets have already been ordered and our scope is already capped out.
05-30-2012 | 12:48 PM
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Hock,
where did you see that these jets were already ordered? I bet the wheels are in place but do you have facts? Just trying to keep facts facts and hunches hunches. No flame or disrespect. edumacate me...
05-30-2012 | 02:51 PM
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Delta would likely Pinnaclize its DCI partners to gain contract flexibility on the 50 seaters. Mainline would be forced to order more narrowbody aircraft to cover that flying reduction. Contract negotiations would likely stall since management didn't get what it wanted.
05-30-2012 | 03:36 PM
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Their obligation is to the shareholders, etc. To slow-roll us at the expense of their fiduciary duty to increase value would open them up to liability issues.
05-30-2012 | 05:05 PM
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True, but that's usually how negotiations go; If one side won't budge on an issue it stalls out the process. That's assuming management wants scope relief and considers it a must have item.
05-30-2012 | 05:13 PM
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It's evident management needs this deal done now far more than we do. It can be done sooner than later, but they will need to sweeten the pot.
Voting this thing down will also provide the intangible (but nevertheless valuable) lesson to management that we won't be steamrolled now or in the future.
05-30-2012 | 05:46 PM
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Yeah, all pilots that I have spoken with, as well as myself were hoping for a bigger pay raise. However, going after more money right now may result in giving up money while waiting around for an agreement for more money...now, does that make sense?. It would be stupid to throw the TA back into the negotiating pot and risk giving up some of the gains (early- out, retirement, scope, mainline positions, etc.), which may or may not be resolved at some indefinite time in the future...maybe years, for what gain? 3%-5% maybe 8% more pay?
This TA is a few steps in the right direction. It is something positive we can benefit from now and build on for the next contract. Like: inclusion of all 76 seaters into the mainline contract!!
Of course, those people that are negative are always louder than those that are positive. It’s human nature to be a skeptical, negative #$@#$%^&!! Maybe I could share with our pilots that My brother-in-law at American, and my friends down in PHX and CLT at USairways would give their eye teeth to get a contract equal to this Delta TA.
I think the MEC did the right thing sending the TA out for a vote. I hope we don't waste the opportunity to ratify this TA.
Delta MSP320CA
This TA is a few steps in the right direction. It is something positive we can benefit from now and build on for the next contract. Like: inclusion of all 76 seaters into the mainline contract!!
Of course, those people that are negative are always louder than those that are positive. It’s human nature to be a skeptical, negative #$@#$%^&!! Maybe I could share with our pilots that My brother-in-law at American, and my friends down in PHX and CLT at USairways would give their eye teeth to get a contract equal to this Delta TA.
I think the MEC did the right thing sending the TA out for a vote. I hope we don't waste the opportunity to ratify this TA.
Delta MSP320CA
Carl
05-30-2012 | 06:20 PM
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Carl - vinegar vs honey. If he's really a cubicle resident there's no chance of convincing him, but also no need to convince him, so why bother responding at all? If he's really a line pilot, though (more likely IMHO), he's one of the guys you need to convince to come to your side, and an attack probably isn't the best way to start out. 
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