UAL used to have a forum which was infiltrated by a management sympathizer. The company then used posts made by other pilots to file a lawsuit and subsequently terminate four line pilots.

Whenever I see a post during contract negotiations that praises management and encourages your colleagues to be reasonable and accept whatever they are offered, I naturally find that very disturbing.

Make no mistake: As a UAL pilot I fully support all DAL pilots and have a sincere desire that you achieve an industry leading contract in all areas (especially scope) as soon as possible.

 

Spoken like a true ostrich.

 

Not even close. Reigning in scope... for you... and getting a pretty nice, industry leading pay bump.. again.. for you.

You won't know fear unless this gets voted down.

No is not a strategy, it is foolish.

 

T you seem like you need to take a breather, you're really hot under the collar as of late. Don't let this stuff get the best of you.

Ps football season is getting closer so that'll help :-)

 

T;
You actually wrote up a pretty clear piece on your thought process in one of these threads, it made sense and showed where you were coming from.

You have to explain to me/us how a no is foolish though.

I can see how you view a yes as practical, but not how a no is foolish.

 

The title of this thread sums it up perfectly....DAL came to us!!! It's just my opinion, but I believe (and so do many others) that this TA was reached so early because RA has a plan B, C, and D in his back pocket. They are prepared for us to vote NO, so they can come back to the table with plan B. I don't think mgmt wants this thing to drag on any longer than we do.

Also, has anyone else heard anything about this TA being approved by the negotiating commitee before the proposed pay rates were presented to the MEC? Is that even possible?

 

No, flew with an MEC committee type who was called in to see the TA at the same time the MEC was seeing it, ie prior to the MEC vote. He had seen the pay rates just couldn't talk about anything until after the MEC vote.

 

Well, I know that Bauer will post his money chasing little picture again, but the loss of time will be the factor that hurts more than anything. Sure, the numbers aren't what we all wanted. Sure, they aren't what we deserve... but they are what they are. Mullis wrote another good paper on this subject on the DALPA forums that lays it out very clearly. These ARE industry leading rates. Saying no to them guarantees that we will fall farther and farther behind wrt inflation. GUARANTEES it. All the no guys are hoping that we will do better. Think about the logic for a minute. We are being offered industry leading rates and industry leading scope. (whether or not one chooses to believe that or not, it is a fact. The numbers do not lie.) Why would management come back in any kind of hurry to offer more when they have us under a never ending bankruptcy contract? And the current contract is so full of scope holes that if I were a running back and it was the defensive line, I would look like Walter Payton. Everybody is focused on the 76 seaters. Got news for ya guys.. they are gonna come whether we vote yes or no. The question you have to ask is would you rather have 70 more, or 102 more. I really don't care either way, because I have my captain seat. Bauer and the others with agendas are the ones that need to grasp reality. Read Mullis' paper on TVM. It is something I have been talking about for 3 years now, and it still isn't sinking in with some people. We don't have a DB anymore... we cannot wait until we turn 60 to start making real money and getting that into our accounts to grow. By then it is too late. The line of thinking that I read here is lineal, and we need to think about how money compounds, and how to take advantage as soon as possible. I read about so many what ifs that the phrase "analysis to paralysis" comes head long into my mind. Guys are so worried about what if that they are losing sight of the big picture. This is an industry leading TA. Period. Vote it down, and it will be just another TA, and time will be gone.

The best part is that this is a 3 year deal.

And I am still waiting for someone to show me who will trump this deal before we are in the next negotiations. Anyone? Bueller?

 

de le ted..............

 

That pretty much says it all.

You know that the scope is concessionary, but it's all about "me" (with you).

You want the money.

Nobody believes that more jumbo RJ's helps scope. You need to stop trying to sell that line of bull.