What will it Take?
06-30-2012 | 04:40 PM
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- and a promise to never, ever do that again. Oh, and then loosen the ratio in the very next contract.
06-30-2012 | 04:50 PM
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Oh and in reply to the original question, Denny, if three years from now I'm sitting at Delta and they've been hiring like gangbusters ever since and the 717s truly turned out to be jumbo-RJ replacement aircraft and not merely DC9/MD88 replacement aircraft, the new jumbo-RJs are flying to a lot of former 50-seat markets, and the company has maintained full compliance with the ratios - I will gladly admit I was wrong and will give DALPA a lot more credit in the future.
I am very curious about the inverse of your question, though. What would it take for guys like tsquare, shiz, and lumburg to admit they were wrong?
I am very curious about the inverse of your question, though. What would it take for guys like tsquare, shiz, and lumburg to admit they were wrong?
06-30-2012 | 05:42 PM
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06-30-2012 | 06:06 PM
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It made me go hmmm at first until I learned about the LGA slot thing.
06-30-2012 | 06:10 PM
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Oh and in reply to the original question, Denny, if three years from now I'm sitting at Delta and they've been hiring like gangbusters ever since and the 717s truly turned out to be jumbo-RJ replacement aircraft and not merely DC9/MD88 replacement aircraft, the new jumbo-RJs are flying to a lot of former 50-seat markets, and the company has maintained full compliance with the ratios - I will gladly admit I was wrong and will give DALPA a lot more credit in the future.
I am very curious about the inverse of your question, though. What would it take for guys like tsquare, shiz, and lumburg to admit they were wrong?
I am very curious about the inverse of your question, though. What would it take for guys like tsquare, shiz, and lumburg to admit they were wrong?
06-30-2012 | 07:09 PM
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How about setting something more realistic?
06-30-2012 | 07:34 PM
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06-30-2012 | 09:28 PM
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Denny It seems to those of us that are newly initiated,,ie the last 2 1/2 years that DALPA never grieves anything.....And so that does very much reask the retorical question you pose in the above post...We need a lawyer of the caliber of Denny Crane! And the will to use him...
And a cancelled one at that!!
As far as grievences go, I think there is definitely a difference in the way DALPA and NWALPA pursued them. My impression is that NWALPA used a more "shotgun" type approach while DALPA used/uses a "sniper" type approach. I'm not saying one is better than the other just that DALPA has a tendency to only pursue those grievences they feel they have a 90% chance or better they can win it. (Again, my impression only)
With a hard number ratio that one can put in front of an arbitrator and show that the company is in violation, in my mind, it's a no brainer to pursue. I guess time will tell.
Denny
06-30-2012 | 09:44 PM
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Oh and in reply to the original question, Denny, if three years from now I'm sitting at Delta and they've been hiring like gangbusters ever since and the 717s truly turned out to be jumbo-RJ replacement aircraft and not merely DC9/MD88 replacement aircraft, the new jumbo-RJs are flying to a lot of former 50-seat markets, and the company has maintained full compliance with the ratios - I will gladly admit I was wrong and will give DALPA a lot more credit in the future.
I am very curious about the inverse of your question, though. What would it take for guys like tsquare, shiz, and lumburg to admit they were wrong?
I am very curious about the inverse of your question, though. What would it take for guys like tsquare, shiz, and lumburg to admit they were wrong?
(What's "hiring like gangbusters? 500/year?)Second paragraph. Well, if you couldn't guess, after much angst and debate with myself, I ended up voting for the TA for various reasons. (I don't think I'm a ballless sheeple like others might think...
) I've already said I expect the seniority list to be post merger size or better. I will add to that any relaxation of the ratio via a LOA or failure to grieve for anything other than a MAJOR force majeur event to save the company (and even in that, there should be a timeline to get back on track established) then I'll eat crow.I look forward to you and Boomer being here for the next TA discussion!!
Denny
