JetBlue 52M 2nd Quarter Profit
08-04-2012 | 11:48 AM
#71
Used to get weekends off
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From: BusFo
Not stunning, reality...get overyourself. Look at history with EVERY airline that has had ALPA or a union. Including the three I have been with ALL ALPA..Thats my reality, ALPA had their chance mulitple times, FAIL MISERABLY!
Ill try this now, an so far Im happy. Don't like how I think or what I believe? I dont care. Keep standing on your soapbox as I laugh walking by u.
Ill try this now, an so far Im happy. Don't like how I think or what I believe? I dont care. Keep standing on your soapbox as I laugh walking by u.
08-04-2012 | 12:15 PM
#72
Gets Weekends Off
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From: C-5, 68th AS Rated Hiring Board Chief, B-1 Aircraft Commander/Mission Lead
I figured you guys would like that better than someone like me trying to come there, and then complaining about the union.
I know that not all unions are the same, but they all share the same foundation. Without proper attention, that foundation shows through, and anyone who thinks for themselves is vilified. I believe that in a union, the whole group gets dragged down to the lowest common denominator, and in some carriers, that's pretty doggone low. Maybe that isn't the case at JB?
I know that not all unions are the same, but they all share the same foundation. Without proper attention, that foundation shows through, and anyone who thinks for themselves is vilified. I believe that in a union, the whole group gets dragged down to the lowest common denominator, and in some carriers, that's pretty doggone low. Maybe that isn't the case at JB?
08-04-2012 | 01:10 PM
#73
SDQ Base Chief
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: 320 CA
Southerner, Its a great place to work and for the most the extremists that dream of a union are a minority especially on this whine board. This issue and crying of a union is absolutely getting old and I find myself avoiding this altogether. What I have found is that 95% of every pilot I fly with and associate with do not want ALPA on board although we all agree we can improve some areas, but what airline can't? The "specualtion" of the " pilots that have the know" because of business sense or what they hear is laughable. REALITY is we have hired hundreds in last 5 years and 300 in last two years. We are growing, are getting airplanes, new terminals, and have motivational letters on remaining as such which if you care to believe or not is an individual choice, however, personally i enjoy the kharma as opposed to the last three ALPA carriers I was associated with. I want no part of the mentality it provides to the workforce and the fact we have people here with the name calling and agendas just endorses the friction and division it causes. The ALPA BullS..t is tiresome yet dominates every forum board luckily only from the same few. We have the youngest fleet with the youngest Capts on board making pretty dam good money and FO after 1st year is not bad either. NOT the best or tops but its better than AA,UAL/CAL,USAIR and others. Are others better? Sure but hey I dont care of the others, I work here, and like I mentioned the REALITY is we are making money and growing. When I read a sentence that starts with " I like to see what happens when....." or "just wait till AA buys us...." or " I just read that...." you get the jist...its laughable. Some people have nothing better to do than complain or LOOK for faults. Unfortunately I have experienced that at every airline and have come to realize its just a select few that no matter what happens they will find fault. We can improve here, insurance is a hot topic and I agree we should take steps to improve on that, everything else, I rely on myslef with companys contribution as a bonus. Its a good place, good people, pilot group, flt attendants, gate etc. I perosnally am happy here and have no desire to go elsewhere. Hope you ignore the negative statements and the extremists who refuse to be happy and have big picture. There is a reason we are successful, and have not furloughed, and why whether others want to believe it or not WANT to work here, its because it is a good place to be. When others start to hire so beit, let them hire. History over the last 12 years have shown others to hire only to furlough. Not specualtion, thats FACT. ALPAs fault, probably not, but it sure as hell didn't help. Other wise we would not have so many legacy furloughed Cpt here now would we? Come to think of it, I wouldnt be here, I was suppose to be "protected from all 3 different ALPA carriers also. It is what it is, Come joing the happy majority...Ignore the negative blasts I get from this post, Im sure it will be Troll", clueless, head in sand, bluejuicer, sad, etc...Im just a pilot working JB that is actually happy, and have better things in life to do than complain. And for the most part Im not alone....Cheers...
p1ayn you are not a troll or a juicer, I believe you are just wearing blinders and chose not to see the reality of your relationship with this company.
I am no union extremist, and really enjoy working here, but I am scared of placing 100% of my livelyhood into the hands of someone who cant legally act in my best interest. Dave and the rest of the ELT is legally required to represent the shareholders and act on what the Board of Directors tells him to do. That is a FACT.
All that I want is a legal party on my side to represent my needs and a document that lists those terms. It is just business.
08-04-2012 | 02:04 PM
#74
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Joined: Aug 2011
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Southerner, Its a great place to work and for the most the extremists that dream of a union are a minority especially on this whine board. This issue and crying of a union is absolutely getting old and I find myself avoiding this altogether. What I have found is that 95% of every pilot I fly with and associate with do not want ALPA on board although we all agree we can improve some areas, but what airline can't? The "specualtion" of the " pilots that have the know" because of business sense or what they hear is laughable. REALITY is we have hired hundreds in last 5 years and 300 in last two years. We are growing, are getting airplanes, new terminals, and have motivational letters on remaining as such which if you care to believe or not is an individual choice, however, personally i enjoy the kharma as opposed to the last three ALPA carriers I was associated with. I want no part of the mentality it provides to the workforce and the fact we have people here with the name calling and agendas just endorses the friction and division it causes. The ALPA BullS..t is tiresome yet dominates every forum board luckily only from the same few. We have the youngest fleet with the youngest Capts on board making pretty dam good money and FO after 1st year is not bad either. NOT the best or tops but its better than AA,UAL/CAL,USAIR and others. Are others better? Sure but hey I dont care of the others, I work here, and like I mentioned the REALITY is we are making money and growing. When I read a sentence that starts with " I like to see what happens when....." or "just wait till AA buys us...." or " I just read that...." you get the jist...its laughable. Some people have nothing better to do than complain or LOOK for faults. Unfortunately I have experienced that at every airline and have come to realize its just a select few that no matter what happens they will find fault. We can improve here, insurance is a hot topic and I agree we should take steps to improve on that, everything else, I rely on myslef with companys contribution as a bonus. Its a good place, good people, pilot group, flt attendants, gate etc. I perosnally am happy here and have no desire to go elsewhere. Hope you ignore the negative statements and the extremists who refuse to be happy and have big picture. There is a reason we are successful, and have not furloughed, and why whether others want to believe it or not WANT to work here, its because it is a good place to be. When others start to hire so beit, let them hire. History over the last 12 years have shown others to hire only to furlough. Not specualtion, thats FACT. ALPAs fault, probably not, but it sure as hell didn't help. Other wise we would not have so many legacy furloughed Cpt here now would we? Come to think of it, I wouldnt be here, I was suppose to be "protected from all 3 different ALPA carriers also. It is what it is, Come joing the happy majority...Ignore the negative blasts I get from this post, Im sure it will be Troll", clueless, head in sand, bluejuicer, sad, etc...Im just a pilot working JB that is actually happy, and have better things in life to do than complain. And for the most part Im not alone....Cheers...
To answer those who suggested that the reason I am anti-union is due to my lack of experience in the airlines, I have plenty of experience. I have experience watching ALPA represent the major airline partners to the detriment of the regionals they also represent. I have experience watching the majority of our pilots ignore what is going on in the union, and thus the only people who volunteer are those who are ignorant and worthless. I have witnessed a few close friends try to go and volunteer in the union to make it better, and get run out/threatened/demoralized. Yes. I have experience.
I have experience seeing that the unions of the trades in Pennsylvania are no different from the unions of the airlines. The "lowest common denominator" reference is not to pay or benefits. That reference is to the aptitude of the people running the union. The group is no better than the weakest pilot, and invariably that weakest pilot is on the ALPA pro-standards committee.
Anyway, I'm not terribly opposed to an in-house union, but your union is only going to be as good as the people running it.
I meant it when I said good luck in your union drive. I hope you get the union you deserve.
08-04-2012 | 05:18 PM
#75
On Reserve
Joined: Aug 2012
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From: E190 Captain
Right there... that is the source of your stunning ignorance.
ALPA didn't cause your furlough.
ALPA didn't cause your company to go out of business.
Your merger, furlough, and trip through CH11 were all the result of a poor management team.
Until you understand that little tidbit... I consider your ignorance simply stunning!
ALPA didn't cause your furlough.
ALPA didn't cause your company to go out of business.
Your merger, furlough, and trip through CH11 were all the result of a poor management team.
Until you understand that little tidbit... I consider your ignorance simply stunning!
08-05-2012 | 04:55 AM
#76
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 900
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From: A320 FO
Not stunning, reality...get overyourself. Look at history with EVERY airline that has had ALPA or a union. Including the three I have been with ALL ALPA..Thats my reality, ALPA had their chance mulitple times, FAIL MISERABLY!
Ill try this now, an so far Im happy. Don't like how I think or what I believe? I dont care. Keep standing on your soapbox as I laugh walking by u.
Ill try this now, an so far Im happy. Don't like how I think or what I believe? I dont care. Keep standing on your soapbox as I laugh walking by u.
The insurance comparison is an accurate one. I don't WANT to pay 1.9% out of my check. God knows I could spend that money in other ways. I also don't want to pay the money for car or homeowner's insurance, either. But I'm in a heap of trouble if I don't have them and need them. I currently work for an ALPA carrier, and I shudder to think what things would be like around here without a CBA. They're already trying to get it blown back into the early 2000s in bankruptcy as it is....
08-05-2012 | 07:42 AM
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Last time I checked, over the last 12 years, UAL has furlouhed, twice! CAL has furloughed, Us Air, laughable, DAL furloughed twice and BK, TWA bought and let go pilots under "protection", Not to mention Airlines gone under, Midway, Comair, Easter, etc...We have hired since 2001 and are growing and investing. We make decent wages, better than most legacys. Insurance can improve but overall i think we are doing ok, and no CBA. I vote smart. Thats just me, and apparently the majority I fly with and the voting majority agree. I for one hope it stays the course.
Over the last 12 years huh? I wonder what the cause could have been.
Why don't you go do some research? look at the causal forecasting the airlines had in place around, oh I don't know, say September 10th 2001. Then, come back to me with their revised forecasts and corrective action which many announced just after September 11th.
I know of one external variable that hit the Legacies like a Mack Truck. Any idea what that might have been? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't internal variables like union action!
BTW, non union carriers like Skybus, EOS, and Maxjet all suffered due to the same external variable.
JJ
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