Importance of the PIC for Majors!
05-27-2013 | 05:24 AM
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I went to a job fair one time and talked to United, and one of the first things the recruiter noticed on my résumé was that I had TPIC featured prominently. In my case, it's more than 500 but still less than 1000, but in so many words, he said, "Don't worry about that." He went on to explain that they're aware that upgrade opportunities have been scarce the past few years and many people have been "stuck" as regional FOs.
Of course, they haven't called me yet, so...?
Of course, they haven't called me yet, so...?
They are calling people in your situation. Hang in there.
05-27-2013 | 06:07 AM
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I was told the same thing by a Delta HR employee that I meet month ago, they know what is happening out there,she even mention about guys scared of movement due to the past event , I m hanging in there, we look for that golden ticket....cheers
05-27-2013 | 11:50 AM
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IOW, some seem to think that at 7-8 years with a company that one SHOULD be checkairman when they're not even off reserve yet.
05-27-2013 | 02:04 PM
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I'm guessing most Major's insurance policies require they hire pilots with some amount of turbine PIC, how much is anyone's guess.
The real question is, how competitive are you as a prospect, if you are the only one in the room without 1000 turbine PIC?
Oh, and of the hundreds of pilots I've known who got hired, only one had little to no turbine PIC, only her solo time in a T37 and T38. She was hired at American in 1986 with a total time of 750, no left seat time in anything, except a Cessna while in training. There were many guys in my Guard unit who had many thousands of hours PIC in a KC135 who were not hired, but she was a chick and it was 1986 so...
The real question is, how competitive are you as a prospect, if you are the only one in the room without 1000 turbine PIC?
Oh, and of the hundreds of pilots I've known who got hired, only one had little to no turbine PIC, only her solo time in a T37 and T38. She was hired at American in 1986 with a total time of 750, no left seat time in anything, except a Cessna while in training. There were many guys in my Guard unit who had many thousands of hours PIC in a KC135 who were not hired, but she was a chick and it was 1986 so...
05-27-2013 | 05:37 PM
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Now I could have gone back to USAir and be set for life right now... But in 07 it didn't make sense to do that. They were still in bankruptcy and it didn't look as though they would survive. Made the best decision I could based on the info I had at the time. Unfortunately it was the wrong one.
05-27-2013 | 08:53 PM
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Assuming TPIC isn't a minimum requirement..............
It depends, who do you know? There's a crap ton of VERY experienced pilots with TPIC, sim instructor, LCA time that are STILL waiting on a call. AND they KNOW people. There's a crap ton of mil guys, with IP/StandEval/NATOPS experience STILL waiting on a call, and they KNOW people. So again, WHO do you know? As far as "in a few years" goes. Sorry, it'll be a long time before a pilot with ZERO TPIC gets the "cold call" from a legacy to interview. Even BEFORE 9/11 when the hiring was going at a rapid clip, it just wasn't happening.
PLENTY. Saw it at all the time. But there's a recurring theme here, THEY KNEW SOMEBODY!!!!!. However, in this hyper competitive environment, one is going to have to know either a HIGHLY connected somebody, or lot's and lot's of somebodies.
I know, I know......EVERYBODY has a story of "well, I know so and so, and they got hired at (insert airline here) and never upgraded!!!!" Yep, and there's more to the story, THERE ALWAYS MORE TO THE STORY.
As does FedEx. UPS did, probably safe to say that when (if) they start hiring they will again.
It depends, who do you know? There's a crap ton of VERY experienced pilots with TPIC, sim instructor, LCA time that are STILL waiting on a call. AND they KNOW people. There's a crap ton of mil guys, with IP/StandEval/NATOPS experience STILL waiting on a call, and they KNOW people. So again, WHO do you know? As far as "in a few years" goes. Sorry, it'll be a long time before a pilot with ZERO TPIC gets the "cold call" from a legacy to interview. Even BEFORE 9/11 when the hiring was going at a rapid clip, it just wasn't happening.
PLENTY. Saw it at all the time. But there's a recurring theme here, THEY KNEW SOMEBODY!!!!!. However, in this hyper competitive environment, one is going to have to know either a HIGHLY connected somebody, or lot's and lot's of somebodies.
I know, I know......EVERYBODY has a story of "well, I know so and so, and they got hired at (insert airline here) and never upgraded!!!!" Yep, and there's more to the story, THERE ALWAYS MORE TO THE STORY.
As does FedEx. UPS did, probably safe to say that when (if) they start hiring they will again.
05-28-2013 | 03:56 AM
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And could you 'trust' them while you check your eyelids for holes?Hey, I'd hire a swimsuit model to be my permanent F/O tomorrow, with zero turbine PIC, and then I might be able to stay awake after 15 hours up there!
But remember, no matter how hot she is, there is some guy somewhere, who is tired of her sheit!
05-28-2013 | 07:55 AM
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Just because candidate "A" has 2k more PIC turbine it doesn't mean they are going to get hired over candidate "B" who only has 700hrs PIC. The interview is what the name implies. An interview. They want to meet you and see how you are. They want to make sure this candidate fits into their model of what they are looking for. Candidate "A" might have more pic but in the interview he came out as someone cocky and arrogant, candidate "B" was friendlier and more personable. Guess who got hired? If it was the way alot of you guys think it is there would be no need for interview. Just hire The candidates with the most time!!!
That being said... having more than 1000 PIC time in a regional isn't the same as a guy who doesn't have 1000 PIC but has time in an aircraft over 100k. and has done class II navigation and has more experienced flying. It all depends in what the particular airline is looking for.
That being said... having more than 1000 PIC time in a regional isn't the same as a guy who doesn't have 1000 PIC but has time in an aircraft over 100k. and has done class II navigation and has more experienced flying. It all depends in what the particular airline is looking for.
05-28-2013 | 08:27 AM
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That being said... having more than 1000 PIC time in a regional isn't the same as a guy who doesn't have 1000 PIC but has time in an aircraft over 100k. and has done class II navigation and has more experienced flying. It all depends in what the particular airline is looking for.
If the applicant meets the minimum qualifications, then the applicant has what the airline is looking for. That's been proven time and time again as airlines hire from a broad spectrum of areas. Then the concept of flight time no longer matters and it's all about the applicants interview performance applies.
However, for the here and now, and the foreseeable future, NEITHER of the above said candidates will even get to demonstrate that unless.............wait for it..........wait for...........wait for it.............
THEY'RE NETWORKED AND KNOW SOMEBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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