Importance of the PIC for Majors!

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05-28-2013 | 09:02 AM

#51

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The LCCs (JetBlue/Virgin/Spirit) have hired FOs even without recommendations and connections. You never know till you apply!

05-28-2013 | 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Yeahbut....how much turbine PIC time did all those smelly guys have when they got hired?

And could you 'trust' them while you check your eyelids for holes?

Hey, I'd hire a swimsuit model to be my permanent F/O tomorrow, with zero turbine PIC, and then I might be able to stay awake after 15 hours up there!

But remember, no matter how hot she is, there is some guy somewhere, who is tired of her sheit!

We have a great training department

and used to have a 15-20 year FO OJT training program. Hopefully the swimsuit model will be up to snuff by then :-)

05-28-2013 | 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xjtguy

............wait for it..........wait for...........wait for it.............

THEY'RE NETWORKED AND KNOW SOMEBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you are overemphasizing it just a teensy bit.

I was hired by a major and wait for it... I didn't know anybody. No rec letters. I didn't buy donuts for the chief pilot. Plenty of guys have been hired by simply submitting their resume.

Sour grapes? Maybe you need to look at other hiring aspects besides "it's who you know."

05-28-2013 | 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFO

I think you are overemphasizing it just a teensy bit.

I was hired by a major and wait for it... I didn't know anybody. No rec letters. I didn't buy donuts for the chief pilot. Plenty of guys have been hired by simply submitting their resume.

In case you haven't noticed, the thread is dealing with NO TPIC and getting hired.

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I was hired with about 1350 TPIC, maybe 200 SIC, but it was fighters and I had the standard list of leadership roles accomplished; IP, 4-ship lead, mission commander, etc.

Ya think maybe that stuff helped separate you from the applicants that DIDN'T have TPIC, let alone in a different era?

Feel free to disagree, but for now and the foreseeable future, it'll be rare that one is hired with ZERO TPIC/AC time that ISN'T rec'd/connected somehow

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Originally Posted by ForeverFO

Sour grapes? Maybe you need to look at other hiring aspects besides "it's who you know."

Nope, doesn't apply. But good job on the assumption

05-28-2013 | 03:22 PM

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A good friend of mine just got a GLEX job by a blind call from a head hunter, there's no telling.

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05-28-2013 | 06:00 PM

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Whilst we're on the topic of the importance of TPIC, supply and demand etc., Is a 2yr Aviation degree viewed the same as not having a degree(4yr et al) at all in the eyes of say a Legacy carrier?

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05-28-2013 | 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xjtguy

Not so sure about that. At WIA, MORE than one person I know was asked "WHY aren't you a check airman(airwoman)?" by multiple recruiters. Depends on which rep you talk to.

IOW, some seem to think that at 7-8 years with a company that one SHOULD be checkairman when they're not even off reserve yet.

My sentiments exactly. I hate when people tell me to just go get some TPIC and then re-apply. As if it's something I can just sign up for. Bad enough when it's an HR person who doesn't really understand the process, but when another pilot says "just go get some PIC..."