SWA/AirTran Pax Incident In The News....
#51
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#52
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You might want to google info on Hasidic/Orthodox Jews. They work in the diamond and garment industries and other businesses. Some sects don't send their children to college and encourage religious studies and occupations that allow for a life revolving around their religion and the education thereof. Kind of hard to be a lawyer when you don't go to college!
Not sure where you born and raised and where you get your expertise from, but as a native NY'er, I'm more than a bit familiar with the community. I've even attended Orthodox Jewish weddings and other rites/ceremonies when my husband worked for a firm owned and operated by an Orthodox family and their associates.
Not sure where you born and raised and where you get your expertise from, but as a native NY'er, I'm more than a bit familiar with the community. I've even attended Orthodox Jewish weddings and other rites/ceremonies when my husband worked for a firm owned and operated by an Orthodox family and their associates.
So your a native NY'er, you've attended Orthodox Jewish weddings, and your husband workd for a Orthodox Jewish family. My apologizes I didn't realize you were such an expert.
#53
So I guess if one member of the family is Hasidic, then every other member of that family must have the same level of commitment to their religion?
So your a native NY'er, you've attended Orthodox Jewish weddings, and your husband workd for a Orthodox Jewish family. My apologizes I didn't realize you were such an expert.
So your a native NY'er, you've attended Orthodox Jewish weddings, and your husband workd for a Orthodox Jewish family. My apologizes I didn't realize you were such an expert.
#57
"you're".......
This is like a dog chasing its tail and I'm done. If you want to learn about the Orthodox Jewish community and not make "ass"umptions about lawyers in every NY Jewish family---my suggestion is to google it. Sorry, but unless you're a member of said community, I know way more about them than you do. Not being snarky, just a fact.
Have a wonderful weekend.
#58
There's no way that any of these kids are going to have to pay a dime for an attorney. I'm sure 20 seconds after the article hit the paper, the kids had an attorney for each of them, calling to get the full story of their disservice by Air Tran (a wholly owned subsidiary of WN airlines) and how their "rights" as natural born citizens were violated.
My wife is an attorney. She, along with many of her attorney friends, hold themselves to a high moral and ethical standard.....some/most attorney's do not, and these kids are going to have a "hey day" of legal assistance knocking down their doors.
Good day,
GJ
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There's no way that any of these kids are going to have to pay a dime for an attorney. I'm sure 20 seconds after the article hit the paper, the kids had an attorney for each of them, calling to get the full story of their disservice by Air Tran (a wholly owned subsidiary of WN airlines) and how their "rights" as natural born citizens were violated.
My wife is an attorney. She, along with many of her attorney friends, hold themselves to a high moral and ethical standard.....some/most attorney's do not, and these kids are going to have a "hey day" of legal assistance knocking down their doors.
Good day,
GJ
My wife is an attorney. She, along with many of her attorney friends, hold themselves to a high moral and ethical standard.....some/most attorney's do not, and these kids are going to have a "hey day" of legal assistance knocking down their doors.
Good day,
GJ
The fact that many of the individuals may seek counsel and have lawsuits filed for free could become a major PR nightmare for the SWA.
The lawsuits may or may not have grounds, but ultimately it'll probably just come done to a quick out-of-court settlement to make it all go away. Just a guess.
I wonder if the entire group, as a whole, will file suit, or if each individual will file on their own behalf. I'm not too sure, but I believe if you file suit on your own behalf then you must forego inclusion of a group lawsuit/settlement.
#60
One element of this is a great example of a growing pain as SWA becomes more legacy by the second.
Their quick turn mentality is ingrained into the fabric of their existance and part of that is giving massive authority to their FA's to be Drill Instructor-esque rulers of the cabin when it comes to pax compliance so they can get on their way. They're friendly and fun and tell jokes and do stand up comedy PA's and all that but you do not want to cost them an extra second on a turn or you will pay. They crack heads and the company backs them and the plan pushed out on time and they save a minute of block times a million flights a day every day = competitive productivity advantage.
Which is also why they taxi at takeoff power, beg for shortcuts in those rare instances when they don't get them anyway and bribe ATC to give them flagrant and highly illegal Most Favored Airline status as they're cleared out of sequence first out of a hold or someone else has to do a 270 so they can cut in from behind them to be number one for the numbers so they're 23 minutes early instead of only 22 minutes early.
But now they're growing up and becoming a big boy airline with big boy realities. Their secondary airport core business model is quietly being killed off because its outdated and ineffective. Their planes are getting bigger, their ops more complex, their turn times longer, their costs much, much higher and their competition far more dangerous.
But culture dies hard. Big group...non compliant for 2 minutes...kick em all off...power turn complete. Yeah, that dog don't hunt here no more. Welcome to the bigs.
Their quick turn mentality is ingrained into the fabric of their existance and part of that is giving massive authority to their FA's to be Drill Instructor-esque rulers of the cabin when it comes to pax compliance so they can get on their way. They're friendly and fun and tell jokes and do stand up comedy PA's and all that but you do not want to cost them an extra second on a turn or you will pay. They crack heads and the company backs them and the plan pushed out on time and they save a minute of block times a million flights a day every day = competitive productivity advantage.
Which is also why they taxi at takeoff power, beg for shortcuts in those rare instances when they don't get them anyway and bribe ATC to give them flagrant and highly illegal Most Favored Airline status as they're cleared out of sequence first out of a hold or someone else has to do a 270 so they can cut in from behind them to be number one for the numbers so they're 23 minutes early instead of only 22 minutes early.
But now they're growing up and becoming a big boy airline with big boy realities. Their secondary airport core business model is quietly being killed off because its outdated and ineffective. Their planes are getting bigger, their ops more complex, their turn times longer, their costs much, much higher and their competition far more dangerous.
But culture dies hard. Big group...non compliant for 2 minutes...kick em all off...power turn complete. Yeah, that dog don't hunt here no more. Welcome to the bigs.
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