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Old 06-13-2013 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Ah, yes.........but..........In our section 22 called "Filling of Vacancies" there is a subsection called "Order of Positions." Out of 28 positions CRJ 900 captain is number 25. The only mainline position that is below that is DC9 FO at 26. You can bet your bippy (old reference) that there might be a slight adjustment of "Order of Positions" in any subsequent merger with a Regional during a JCBA. There is the legal precedent. In our contract, the position is at the bottom......

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No it would be a straight staple because without scope, a regional brings nothing to the table.
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Old 06-13-2013 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
No it would be a straight staple because without scope, a regional brings nothing to the table.
Ok so you don't believe it BUT I do wonder why a mainline carrier would staple a regional that has 7 years of cheap labor and then have to pay them alot more for the same lift they are receiving from other regionals. Also as mentioned the other day, NWA had to strike to get rid of their B scale and I know for a fact creating a new one would not go over well. There would be alot of resistance. Soo why are we talking about this? This conversation has nothing to do with the OPs questions. I find it funny how only Pinnacle pilots bring this subject up, like I said most feel it will happen.
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Old 06-13-2013 | 06:49 AM
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Merging a regional would do nothing for the company or the mainline pilot group. Unless the scope line was lowered to capture all the "merged" flying, that flying would still be subject to the endless severe churn of the never ending mid-RFP low bidding that not controling your flying brings to the table. Then the mainline pilot group/union would have to bleed negotiating capital on that while guess who was low bidding on that unowned flying...other regionals in the same union (and those not in it as well). In this hypothetical case, DALPA would have to participate in the low bidding directly to keep the flying and could still end up losing it. Then there's the automatic DFR lawsuit that would drag on for many years with the "merged" regional suing because they didn't get a windfall relative/DOH/etc seniority number. The company gains nothing from this either. So what's the point? Its not going to happen.
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Old 06-13-2013 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
You obviously don't believe it will happen BUT I do wonder why a mainline carrier would staple a regional that has 7 years of cheap labor and then have to pay them alot more for the same lift they are receiving from other regionals. Also as mentioned the other day, NWA had to strike to get rid of their B scale and I know for a fact creating a new one would not go over well. There would be alot of resistance. Soo why are we talking about this? This has conversation has nothing to do with the OPs questions.
The main point is when you give away airplanes it becomes almost impossible to take them back.

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Merging a regional would do nothing for the company or the mainline pilot group. Unless the scope line was lowered to capture all the "merged" flying, that flying would still be subject to the endless severe churn of the never ending mid-RFP low bidding that not controling your flying brings to the table. Then the mainline pilot group/union would have to bleed negotiating capital on that while guess who was low bidding on that unowned flying...other regionals in the same union (and those not in it as well). In this hypothetical case, DALPA would have to participate in the low bidding directly to keep the flying and could still end up losing it. Then there's the automatic DFR lawsuit that would drag on for many years with the "merged" regional suing because they didn't get a windfall relative/DOH/etc seniority number. The company gains nothing from this either. So what's the point? Its not going to happen.
The company earns wage arbitrage by playing games.

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Old 06-13-2013 | 07:35 AM
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There will not be a straight staple ever because that would mean taking all of you. Face it, any/all endeavor pilots will have to be screened to Delta standards. Many will not make the cut. Are you one of those? Is that why you are writing this flamebait? You are just going to make it harder on your fellow coworkers that do meet the standards. There are many here that don't like what your mec negotiated. I suggest treading lightly if not for yourself, your fellow pilots.



Originally Posted by Mesabah
No it would be a straight staple because without scope, a regional brings nothing to the table.
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Old 06-13-2013 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Anyone have an answer to the OPs question though?

April 14, 2008 - Merger Announced
Dec 8, 2008 - SLI
Dec 31, 2009 - SOC
May 2010 - First joint bid excluding fenced 747/777


Is that right? Best guess.
First joint bid was Jan 1, 2010 all the rest was correct.
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Old 06-13-2013 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
No it would be a straight staple because without scope, a regional brings nothing to the table.
Enlightenment at last. Way to go Siddhartha!
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Old 06-13-2013 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
There will not be a straight staple ever because that would mean taking all of you. Face it, any/all endeavor pilots will have to be screened to Delta standards. Many will not make the cut. Are you one of those? Is that why you are writing this flamebait? You are just going to make it harder on your fellow coworkers that do meet the standards. There are many here that don't like what your mec negotiated. I suggest treading lightly if not for yourself, your fellow pilots.
I have no clue what you're talking about. Bar asked a question on page 2, I answered it to the best of my knowledge on the subject. It's not a personal attack on your seniority.

Delta and Pinnacle already merged, all our management is Delta people now. However, the pilot lists didn't merge because management isn't compelled to under the Delta PWA. ALPA then took a different path. Don't take those shortcomings out on me or my fellow pilots.
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Old 06-13-2013 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I have no clue what you're talking about. Bar asked a question on page 2, I answered it to the best of my knowledge on the subject. It's not a personal attack on your seniority.

Delta and Pinnacle already merged, all our management is Delta people now. However, the pilot lists didn't merge because management isn't compelled to under the Delta PWA. ALPA then took a different path. Don't take those shortcomings out on me or my fellow pilots.
Thats cute, see what I am talking about people? This is how the majority thinks. Just a matter of time for the staple.
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Old 06-13-2013 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
Thats cute, see what I am talking about people? This is how the majority thinks. Just a matter of time for the staple.
Sorry, "acquisition". ..
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