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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 1470378)
Thank you. By most ways of measuring, we are a substandard AIRLINE, so you would be an idiot to expect anything other than substandard wages and benefits.
Maybe a substandard Airline is to be expected when you have an inexperienced ELT who are on their first rodeo. JJ |
Originally Posted by alvrb211
(Post 1470388)
Maybe a substandard Airline is to be expected when you have an inexperienced ELT who are on their first rodeo.
JJ |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 1470356)
So do I have it backwards? Are we taking 13, but it will feel like only 9 because the 321 won't be online till the end of the year? So we are takin 13, but will feel like 9?
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 1470391)
Maybe. Maybe, being 2-5x smaller, 2-5x younger, 50% smaller average gauge aircraft, and having a much less mature network might also be contributing factors... (in addition to the inexperienced ELT).
I don't know. The AirTran boys managed to negotiate $165/hr on the B717 along with industry std benefits and protections. They stayed profitable too. Begs questions huh? I think the key word is "Negotiate". JJ |
Originally Posted by alvrb211
(Post 1470395)
I don't know. The AirTran boys managed to negotiate $165/hr on the B717 along with industry std benefits and protections. They stayed profitable too.
Begs questions huh? I think the key word is "Negotiate". JJ |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 1470398)
I don't have a problem with a union or us being able to negotiate.
Oh I know. But, for many, any old job will do and lowering the bar for the profession is ok. JJ |
Originally Posted by alvrb211
(Post 1470408)
Oh I know. But, for many, any old job will do and lowering the bar for the profession is ok.
JJ |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 1470441)
And many are ignorant enough to think a union will give us legacy pay and benefits, and still keep our current growth rate...
Legacy pay rates? Can't even match pay rates/ benefits of SWA, AT or AK. Growth (if that's even a concern) is not a function of having a non union Pilot group! JJ |
Originally Posted by alvrb211
(Post 1470449)
Legacy pay rates? Can't even match pay rates/ benefits of SWA, AT or AK.
Growth (if that's even a concern) is not a function of having a non union Pilot group! JJ |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 1470454)
During the Q2 earnings conference call, did JB give guidance for slower than previously reported growth for 2nd half of 2013?
Why do you ask??? Growth is based on causal forecasting. Airlines look at the GDP, capacity in the system, and oil price. They DO NOT look at Pilot compensation or union/ non-union status. JJ |
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