Delta Representation Discussion
09-06-2013 | 10:30 AM
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It actually can't do that at all. No union can. One side can completely cave in and waive their rights under the law, but predicting that is tenuous. And crediting any union for that is really reaching.
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09-06-2013 | 11:00 AM
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Try again. Did you not see what happened at SWA with the AT "merger"? McCaskill Bond is as toothless as Bill Clinton's latest girlfriend. A union that is proactive with management (SWAPA) can ensure that. DPA's approach prefers conflict and predictable results that are not in our best interests.
09-06-2013 | 11:01 AM
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09-06-2013 | 11:38 AM
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If you are speaking in complete thoughts, yes, I agree with you. An independent union is not subject to Alpa merger policy and SWA showed the template of how to (partially) sidestep M/B.
09-06-2013 | 12:10 PM
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ALPA merger policy is set up so the union doesn't have to take any negative blame for what happens.
You are so much better off going it alone if you are with the acquiring carrier. (See APA vs TWALPA, SWAPA vs ATALPA, etc) The complete opposite is true if you are the acquired carrier, where ALPA merger policy is a huge advantage for you.(see USALPA vs AWALPA, Colgan ALPA vs 9E/XJ ALPA, DALPA vs NWALPA, etc)
In all cases where ALPA merged two groups together the smaller group won, while in all cases of separate union mergers, the larger/more financially stable carrier won. If ALPA is so strong, why does it gets its ass kicked every time it goes up against another union or management?
You are so much better off going it alone if you are with the acquiring carrier. (See APA vs TWALPA, SWAPA vs ATALPA, etc) The complete opposite is true if you are the acquired carrier, where ALPA merger policy is a huge advantage for you.(see USALPA vs AWALPA, Colgan ALPA vs 9E/XJ ALPA, DALPA vs NWALPA, etc)
In all cases where ALPA merged two groups together the smaller group won, while in all cases of separate union mergers, the larger/more financially stable carrier won. If ALPA is so strong, why does it gets its ass kicked every time it goes up against another union or management?
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09-06-2013 | 01:02 PM
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ALPA merger policy is set up so the union doesn't have to take any negative blame for what happens.
You are so much better off going it alone if you are with the acquiring carrier. (See APA vs TWALPA, SWAPA vs ATALPA, etc) The complete opposite is true if you are the acquired carrier, where ALPA merger policy is a huge advantage for you.(see USALPA vs AWALPA, Colgan ALPA vs 9E/XJ ALPA, DALPA vs NWALPA, etc)
In all cases where ALPA merged two groups together the smaller group won, while in all cases of separate union mergers, the larger/more financially stable carrier won. If ALPA is so strong, why does it gets its ass kicked every time it goes up against another union or management?
You are so much better off going it alone if you are with the acquiring carrier. (See APA vs TWALPA, SWAPA vs ATALPA, etc) The complete opposite is true if you are the acquired carrier, where ALPA merger policy is a huge advantage for you.(see USALPA vs AWALPA, Colgan ALPA vs 9E/XJ ALPA, DALPA vs NWALPA, etc)
In all cases where ALPA merged two groups together the smaller group won, while in all cases of separate union mergers, the larger/more financially stable carrier won. If ALPA is so strong, why does it gets its ass kicked every time it goes up against another union or management?
As to your question, was SWA not the stronger company vs ATA? Was American not the stronger company vs TWA?
09-06-2013 | 01:19 PM
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Actually, no one won in the Delta/NWA merger. DAL had some guys lose out to later NWA hires, & NWA had some guys lose out to later DAL hires. You'll hear guys on both sides say they lost.
As to your question, was SWA not the stronger company vs ATA? Was American not the stronger company vs TWA?
As to your question, was SWA not the stronger company vs ATA? Was American not the stronger company vs TWA?
Legacy NWA has shrunk considerably more than legacy DAL. In almost all mergers and acquisitions, the name that is going to be abolished is the shrinking company. If NWA and DAL had merged today, then NWA would be much further down the list. ALPA merger policy doesn't consider these facts, that's why everyone thinks no one carrier won.
09-06-2013 | 01:20 PM
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Where in my post did I refer to McCaskill Bond? That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a regional group signing an agreement to be stapled to a major's seniority list, and whether that would go unchallenged legally after the fact.
It actually can't do that at all. No union can. One side can completely cave in and waive their rights under the law, but predicting that is tenuous. And crediting any union for that is really reaching.
DPA prefers not outsourcing our jobs and enforcing contract language. You and ALPA call that being in conflict with management. Many Delta pilots are coming to see that you just can't always agree with whatever management wants.
Carl
It actually can't do that at all. No union can. One side can completely cave in and waive their rights under the law, but predicting that is tenuous. And crediting any union for that is really reaching.
DPA prefers not outsourcing our jobs and enforcing contract language. You and ALPA call that being in conflict with management. Many Delta pilots are coming to see that you just can't always agree with whatever management wants.
Carl
09-06-2013 | 01:25 PM
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09-06-2013 | 01:30 PM
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