Hey Carl,

While Alpha went after DPA's "leadership" (whoever that is) you went after him.

Just my opinion, but I don't like to see a pilot ever go on the offensive against a fellow union member and co-worker individually. Alpha's a big boy and can defend himself, but, if your post is a representation of the organization you advocate, then it concerns me that the DPA does not understand the most basic tenet of the pilot representation business. Would the DPA defend the job of a pilot it did not like? Would it attempt to out them, embarrass perceived enemies? Does DPA understand the fiduciary duty imposed on bargaining agents?

I do consulting work, you do consulting work and apparently not only does Alpha do some consulting, based on the wording of the decision handed down, he's good at it. We've all got opinions. My opinion is that going after a man's work is a line too far.

Besides, we really want to avoid another US Air / America West disaster. Anything that helps avoid that mess benefits everyone in this profession.

What' the question ACL's dodging? Survey results? Read back about 5 pages and couldn't quite figure it out. You know, you could introduce a resolution and get it passed. But, publication of survey results would work against the pilots in the long run. Management would decipher the results, split us and undermine our bargaining with the tool we handed them.

 

I agree but the minute RA compliments and commends Lee Moak for a great job, you know we are done. Oh wait........nevermind

TEN

 

How can you read the sheer number of insults and name calling in alfaromeo's post and say he really only meant it for DPA leadership? Unreal.

Regardless, posting someone's actual words, then posting the actual truth is not "going after them." It's getting the facts out on the table for everyone to decide.

See above.

Really reaching here Bar. You're strongly against DPA and strongly for ALPA. I get that. But what you've written here is a highly partisan attack with not even the attempt at a fact. It's your right to do so, but...

This tactic of outrage against the person who laid out the truth is transparent Bar. You're hoping to change the topic from the facts I posted. I did not "go after his work" in any way and you know that. I laid out what alfaromeo actually said. You don't like that type of truth telling when it shines a light on one of your guys, only when it harms the push for an independent union. That you like.

Carl

 

This is the question acl65pilot is dodging:

This is the fourth time I've brought this up. ACL refuses to answer thus far, but he is responding to other posts here.

Carl

 

Carl,

Don't intend to answer for ACL, but I am pretty sure he is going to state it is a bit simplistic and unrealistic to make such an absolute statement, no matter how good it feels.

We have international codeshare, we have joint ventures and we have permitted flying. Depending on how one parses definitions all of those might be inferred to be "Delta flying." Yet, if we were to simply demand "no" it would not happen (as American just proved) and could even cost us some Delta jobs due to reductions across our highly integrated network.

Anyone in any position of responsibility is going to insist on seeing a real proposal, considering pilot input, vetting that proposal themselves and with subject matter experts, then they will present a well considered response, or counter proposal. Besides no one Delta pilot can make a statement on behalf of the Delta pilots. Obviously there is a process to follow and 12,000 other opinions to consider.

If you ask the question differently, you are more likely to get the desired response. Here, let me try:

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Hey ACL,

You want Delta pilots to perform all Delta flying?

Do you support sunsetting all agreements that outsource Delta jobs?

Do you want to reduce outsourcing?

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Carl,

Do you think C2012 was a step in the right direction on Section 1 when you consider the return of mainline flying, hiring mainline pilots, reduction in outsourced block hours and ASM AND VERY IMPORTANTLY improved Joint Venture language?

Do you think we should reverse the 1998 changes to ALPA's Merger and Fragmentation policies at the BOD?

 

Regardless Bar, people should tell the truth. When you don't, it can cause problems. Alfaromeo has spent the last week calling me a liar and every other sort of personal insult. I never responded. You never once responded for him to tone down the personal insults. Now you're outraged that I post his own words with me never personally insulting him...just laying out facts.

Your outrage is inconsistent, and partisan.

Carl

 

He says the same thing about me. My wife also says the same thing. My teachers also said the exact same thing.

All of you are wrong.

I don't think you are a "liar." I do think that D-ALPA is very careful and usually quite conservative. It is difficult for any line pilot, working on their own time and dime, to match their resources and depth when it comes to publications.

You've seen me take them on, but, when doing so I endeavor to have a couple of independent press reports and/or testimony under oath.

 

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So there is no C&BLs.

Who gets to decide what's in it? Seems like a bait and switch operation.

I thought it was a member driven organization. Apparently there are over 5000 members who've been given a C&BLs that is ever changing with no member input. Very top-down and heavy handed. What's to prevent the DPA "insiders" from changing the dues rate to 3.5% at any time, including on the eve of a vote, without notifying the pilots. This could also be done to increase the already lucrative compensation packages for DPA officers, committee members and representatives.

 

Yes, its a great goal and one that I am willing to spend much time working towards, no matter how long our how many cycles or how difficult it may be.

See above

Yes
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Yes, Carl is trying to ask a question that may be well intended but is designed to put a expectation out there that is unattainable with production balances code share flying et al. In that light, the goal of performing all Delta Flying is an admirable goal but one that is the ultimate goal that will take years and careers to attain.