My bad, the whale is supposed to fly west in 2017.

 

Not desperate at all. Just growing tired of people not seeing that coordination not conflict is the way to go. That would be internally within our pilot group and within our profession.

 

No they didn't they wrote a contradiction. If the DPA got voted in next October the dues would be 1.75% for Section 6 and would go up .5% for Section 6 but then never exceed 1.5%??? 1.75 is already a larger number than 1.5...!?

The dues rate shall be 1.75% upon initial certification by the National Mediation Board. On January 1st of the second full fiscal year following initial certification, the dues rate shall drop annually by 0.25% every year until reaching a minimum dues rate of 1%.

Special Circumstance Exception: Six (6) months prior to the amendable date of the Pilot Working Agreement, or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date, or upon notification of a possible bankruptcy or merger initiated by the Company, the dues rate will temporarily increase by 0.5%, not to exceed 1.5% in total dues rate, until the new contract is ratified, or bankruptcy proceedings or merger integration is complete. Upon completion, all expenses for the Special Circumstance will be fully accounted for and any remaining funds and any accrued interest from the 0.5% temporary increase will be refunded to the membership on a pro rata basis.

Exception: During the initial three year transition, while the base dues rate is above 1% for the buildup of union finances, refunds are not mandatory, but may be given at the discretion of the Executive Board.

 

Carl;

In collective bargaining, fair share is nothing more than whatever we negotiate. We are worth what we negotiate. If anything it was an oversight that the MEC agreed was the wrong impression and was not the best choice of words. They changed it and are willing to correct it. Id say say that is a good sign.

As for the TAJV projections and trend. Its a message, we are watching closely and though not a PWA violation today, we are very very aware of where it is going. We are not allowing something outside the PWA today. March 2015 is the drop deal of measurement and cure.

On Dues: What the BOD decide at the last meeting? A purposeful measured reduction to 1.35% that does not cause harm to the ability to do the work that is needed to be done.

You do know that we are fighting a battle that will result in a sustained industry for the next generation or one that fails to exist on any meaningful level? Do you support ALPA PAC? If not, I will send you a link to donate even five bucks a pay period.

 

I would like ALPA National to take a role as a professional society similar to the AMA, rather than that of the union. If you pay dues to an organization for many years, you expect some form of loyalty. It just doesn't sit well with me that a group of pilots that were in ALPA for about a year, are ahead of me on the list simply because they voted in ALPA at the right time.

 

Of course, anyone's opinion can be influenced by whose ox is being gored.

Before I say anything, I want to differentiate between pilots who may have joined DPA and the DPA leadership. After a decade of pain and an industry that has been restructured and rebuilt while we experienced first hand that nasty roller coaster, I understand how pilots are frustrated and angry. In my opinion the majority of pilots that call themselves "DPA" are just tired of this ride and are looking for something, anything to make it all go away. They are not DPA they are line dogs looking for a better career and I have no quarrel with them in fact I feel their pain also. I still strongly believe that ALPA is the best vehicle to rebuild their careers.

The DPA leadership have shown themselves to be uniquely dishonest and manipulative. They have tried to exploit this frustration and anger to further their own self interested policies. Note how the DPA has set up their new union to richly reward themselves with flight pay far beyond what any DALPA officer gets. Many of these guys are angry beyond rational thought. What sticks out is the glaring lack of integrity as they use half truths, manipulation, and outright lies to try to win support. When Carl doesn't have a fact, he just makes something up.

The DPA leadership knows their movement is dead and now they are on a scorched earth rampage to try and destroy everything around them. Their claim of 5500 members is ludicrous. Look around the system, do you see DPA discussions in the lounge, do you see DPA organizational meetings, do you see a vibrant and concerned committee membership trying to better pilots' lives? All I see are a bunch of lies on a website, mostly cooked up by their lawyer, to try to character assassinate ALPA and anyone associated with it. They have a few perpetual cranks on the ALPA forum who hijack every thread with their non stop idiocy. Now apparently, Carl has been dispatched here to continue to crankdom on this forum. If they had 5500 active concerned members, you wouldn't be able to swing a dead cat in the pilot lounge without running into that organization. Even the Detroit pilot lounge is devoid of DPA activity and as a commuter I am there a lot.

So I do feel the desperation of Carl and Caplinger and the rest of the cranks. Their organization is dead. We've had timelines, countdown clocks, and a continuous drumbeat of impending doom from the DPA leadership and none of their lies has worked. Delta is hiring, our contract is moving forward, we will have had well over 400 new Captain upgrades by the time this bid closes, with many, many more to come. DCI is shrinking and mainline is growing. Their entire raison d'etre, the conflict between DCI and mainline, has been shown to be false as DCI is shrinking and mainline is growing and no one from ALPA thinks this is bad most especially the DCI carriers.

The only question is how much damage are these cranks going to do before they just slink back out of sight.

 

For the lurkers here who may not know, alfaromeo used to be very high up in Delta's MEC administration. When our new MEC was elected recently, they voted out the MEC chairman and alfaromeo...among others. Shortly thereafter, alfaromeo posted this on the Delta L&G thread (bold emphasis mine):

Imagine our surprise when we found out what alfaromeo's work was...who his client was. His client was the United MEC. His work was union work. He was hired at the request of Lee Moak to be a merger committee consultant for the United MEC during their SLI with the Continental pilots.

Knowing what you know now, re-read alfaromeo's post. Then decide for yourself whether he's in a position to say what he said in his top post. In particular, "uniquely dishonest and manipulative"...and "glaring lack of integrity as they use half truths, manipulation, and outright lies."

Carl

 

Point well taken.

Carl

 

Dear 76drvr,

What you're quoting applies after the DPA gets voted in, not now. The C&BL's writing and editing will use this process after certification.

Best regards,

Carl

 

You don't get to keep asking questions while never answering them. I asked you a question twice so far regarding you writing a letter backing a resolution effort. Do you intend to answer?

Carl