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Old 09-14-2013 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
Good spin cowboy. Now go read Article 13, Section 7 of the DPA Constitution and Bylaws.
You mean real fast, before it gets changed?
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Old 09-14-2013 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
Good spin cowboy. Now go read Article 13, Section 7 of the DPA Constitution and Bylaws.
Article 13, Section 7 of the DPA Constitution and Bylaws.

"plus a premium of thirty percent (30%) of the ALV for the President and twenty-five percent (25%) of the ALV for all other Officers, Representatives and Committee Chairpersons."

Good money for the entrenched DPA insiders.
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Old 09-14-2013 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
You mean real fast, before it gets changed?
Good point. I better get their fast before the DPA insiders make another unannounced track change to cover their tracks.
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Old 09-14-2013 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Well, I guess my point is proven. Carl once again shows that he lacks integrity and the desperation is just oozing from his pores. Just keep making up stuff Carl, you are fooling less and less people.
Alfaromeo...the gift that keeps on giving:

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...you obfuscate, change the subject and launch into personal attacks...

...Carl is someone who never has to take responsibility for his diatribes...

...he simply packs up, insults anyone who disagrees with him, and then moves on to his next attacks...

...the type of extreme positions that the Carls in this world push for...

...You can thump your chest and make yourself look tough...

...Lloyd "meet you at the gates of hell" Hill returned to American pilots...

...Does anyone doubt that the "Carls" at Airtran read the first TA from their merger committee and were shouting to the heavens...

...Now those same "Carls" are probably suing ALPA claiming it's all ALPA's fault...

...Carl pushed for an extreme solution in the DAL/NWA case...

...Now Carl spends his time trying to tear everything down because he is mad that the world didn't treat him fairly...

...Now we have the Carls trying to tell us that the game was rigged...

...Pithy attacks and personal insults get you nowhere...

...Tough talk, hard bargaining, big balls...

...Carl doesn't care because he will be golden...
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
...Does it seem like Carl is getting more and more desperate on here...

...He was always obnoxious, but now he is just inventing more and more crap at volumes that rival a herd of cows...
Alfaromeo actually has quite a man-crush on me.

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Old 09-14-2013 | 08:20 AM
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Old 09-14-2013 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
The US Constitution was never amended without following the prescribed process. The DPA Constitution is subject to the whims of a core group of unelected insiders without any notification to the membership and without any membership input on the amendments. Truly a top down "association."
Didn't say it was, you did. I said it was written at the constitutional convention over many days.

The DPA constitution will go through the same process of writing and editing until such time they're voted in. That's when the process for amendments start.

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Old 09-14-2013 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Didn't say it was, you did. I said it was written at the constitutional convention over many days.

The DPA constitution will go through the same process of writing and editing until such time they're voted in. That's when the process for amendments start.

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Ahhhh. So DPA is not prepared to represent the Delta pilot after 4 years of preparation. Got it.
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Old 09-14-2013 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Ahhhh. So DPA is not prepared to represent the Delta pilot after 4 years of preparation. Got it.
Exactly right. Furthermore, they clearly list it as their constitution on their website and solicit money from the website which clearly depicts their constitution. Hmmmm, something about misrepresentation and fiduciary responsibility......

Why can't the DPA follow their own constitution, which any home owners association seems to be able to do?
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Old 09-14-2013 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The DPA constitution will go through the same process of writing and editing until such time they're voted in. That's when the process for amendments start.

Carl
Yet it clearly states that it is the DPA Constitution on your website. You mean after 4 years you still don't have that most basic governing document complete! And you thought you were ready for Section 6?

I do understand how you might be embarrassed by the revelations of dues increases and sweet heart compensation packages of up to 30% premium pay for the select few and 25% for the other minions like Sol, Jerry and Mak buried in your Constitution. Good gig for the entrenched DPA insiders.
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Old 09-14-2013 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Ahhhh. So DPA is not prepared to represent the Delta pilot after 4 years of preparation. Got it.
But why ruin the surprise? Think of the excitement as the curtain drops, under a hypothetical certification. You get to find out who you're married to, and what system you're going to work under. And if you have a problem with the way things are unfolding, no problem at all: all you need to do is get 250 guys in your "block" (guys from all over the country, that you haven't necessarily even met, or learned to work with), and, as long as the people you're petitioning decide your petition matches the "association's objectives (no definition), then you'll be able to redress the situation. A little awkward if you're disagreeing with them on substantive issues, isn't it?

My contention remains that whoever ends up running DPA, is going to be picked from a bench we're all familiar with. The team jerseys might look a little different, but you'll recognize the numbers. What the last few pages of this thread reveal is that now they'll have a structure where they're completely insulated from the democratic process, and starting with a nice raise.

It's a power struggle, pure and simple.

The antics, gyrations, and constitutional twerking we've seen would be hilarious, except for two things: 1) we're talking about our careers, and 2) we're wasting precious activism on a very questionable dead-end.

Someone earlier posted Fielding's e-mail, which lets the DPA get a little distance from the previous writer's... excentric missives. It's very well written, as always. Often disingenuous, but certainly well-written. He spoke about apathy being a problem. I totally agree with him. It's unfortunate the DPA is hijacking an unknown (and unverified) number of activist members, for the benefit of whoever the "core of insiders" is.
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