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Old 09-13-2013 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Apparently the DPA constitution is being edited because of the glaring flaws that are being pointed out. It proves that its seat of the pants and they are in damage control mode. Cant even stand by their constitution and it took a few communiques from DALPA for them to start editing.
The "glaring flaws" hyperbole is over emotional dude. DPA edited the constitution to clarify that the maximum dues rate even during special circumstances is still lower than ALPA's dues rate.

But since your into noticing glaring flaws, how about that bit of truth the MEC put out recently about the fact that we are not going to meet the percentages in the Atlantic Joint Venture. The MEC letter put out their version of the truth when they said: 'it's not our fair share of the flying anyway.' After a huge outcry from the members for saying that it wasn't our fair share of the flying, the MEC retracted their version of the truth and put out a statement saying that the Delta pilots' fair share of the flying is exactly the percentages we agreed to in our JV agreement. Two very different statements from our MEC. I maintain the first one was their truth, and the second one was MEC spin based on the torches and pitchforks getting too close.

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Old 09-13-2013 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I'll be glad to do that, but you know what would be even better? Do what I just asked and what you've deflected. Write us a letter pledging your support for such a resolution. How bout it?
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Do some research, I'm sure you can find some document from the last five years with that on there. Heck read what I wrote during the TA on here.
I'm not talking about what others wrote on a forum, or what you wrote on a forum before you became a rep. I'm talking about right now ACL. I'm talking about you writing a letter of support based on what I said below:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Step 2 is pledging that the DALPA MEC will never again agree to the outsourcing of any more Delta pilot jobs under any circumstance regardless of the perceived gain, never agree to anything that aids the continuance of any idea that outsources Delta pilot jobs, and will demand sunsetting of all current contracts that outsource a single Delta pilot job. Anything like that on the horizon ACL? It'd be a damn good step 2.
It would be a huge help to us who'd like to bring this resolution forward if we had ATL union leaders drafting a letter of support. Will you write such a letter for us?

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Old 09-13-2013 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hitimefurl
DPA Member Testimonials page for starters and I can't get the search function to work on the DALPA site for some reason

"In my opinion, we have reached the point of no return. The point where we know it will be faster and easier to clean house and start over." - S. Castell DTW 744B
What was the context of that post hitimefurl? Was he talking about the drafting of a new constitution? Was he talking about using any of ALPA's subcontractor services? Please post where he said he was talking about removing every current union official and volunteer.

If he did say that he meant it regarding all current union officials and volunteers, that's at odds with DPA's official position which has always been: "All current DALPA officials and volunteers will be welcome to DPA with open arms and welcome to run for every position within DPA."

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Old 09-13-2013 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Yes, because all airlines are the same? SWA had NO exposure to SARS, the euro zone meltdown or exponential fuel price increases. I guess SWAPA was responsible for their company's hedging? The above is like saying ALL U.S. households should have taken the same financial hit in the Great Recession since they are in "the exact same world experiencing the exact same disasters.
They weren't exposed to those short term threats. But it also meant they've had to make their success absent the much larger international revenues and margins associated with that type of flying. Those threats are now over, but SWA still hasn't captured that revenue or margins. Yet through it all (including the domestic revenue collapse of 9/11) SWAPA presided over success where ALPA presided over multiple historic collapses.

If you in the ALPA rent-a-mob are going to continue saying that the independents aren't as successful as ALPA, you're going to have to back it up with more than pom poms.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Ahh irony at it's finest. At least the DALPA echo chamber is a lot more diverse than your whale cockpit. How many junior or south guys or guys not based in DTW have you had the pleasure of working with recently?
As a busy commuter, I jumpseat a lot with South crews. I also meet a lot of South crews in NRT. I actually talk to them too, and they actually talk back. The vast majority of South crews I talk to ask me if I have a DPA card in...and if not, would I like one? The majority of DPA members has just recently shifted to South crews.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Your plan worked out even in lieu of ALPA's 20 years of failures? It must be nice to be independently wealthy outside of this job. $500 to our respective charities says you're keeping your whale seat warm past 60.
Not independently wealthy, just always had outside businesses. I started in 1979 and was furloughed 4 times in my first 3 years. It got me to thinking about outside interests and planning to retire from the airlines at age 60.

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Old 09-13-2013 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
The whale will be gone before Carl is 60. Can I take that bet?
Gosh I hope not. I only got 3 years left!

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Old 09-13-2013 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
So this is your opinion, as you so like to ask other people?
Um, yes it's my opinion. Here's the post again with relevant words bolded so you won't miss them this time:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I don't believe my allegation is false. I believe Lee Moak did this for no other reason but to set our new MEC straight as to who runs ALPA and who doesn't.
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Old 09-13-2013 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
If that's the case, then I'm even more surprised. How can someone who's been blessed to be at the top of the food chain for so long be so bitter?
I'm very confident that people who aren't members of the ALPA rent-a-mob see me very differently than you members of the rent-a-mob. I know because of my very positive feedback via PM and on the line.

I do sense sadness among the ALPA rent-a-mob however.

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Old 09-13-2013 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
If you in the ALPA rent-a-mob are going to continue saying that the independents aren't as successful as ALPA, you're going to have to back it up with more than pom poms.
Carl
Unfortunately, unlike the NFL, I don't think you want to see Lee Moak in this pose:
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Old 09-13-2013 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by hitimefurl
The elves were busy last night. The DPA Constitution has been up in it's final form since at least April and after a few days of questions it's been change to a hella' convoluted mess.
When was the vote to change the C&BLs?

Apparently the top down structure of the DPA allows changing of their C&BLs without following their own process as outlined in their C&BLs. The DPA is already violating their own C&BLs. Simply priceless.

Section4 of the DPA C&BLs

"4. The Board of Directors may vote, by a two-thirds (2/3) majority of all Board members to submit permanent changes to the Constitution and By-Laws to the Executive Board for consideration. Proposed changes will be published to the membership thirty (30) days prior to approval/rejection by the Executive Board so that the membership is aware of potential changes and may make comment on the proposed changes. Upon approval by the Executive Board, all changes will be ratified by a membership vote.
5. Permanent changes to the Constitution and By-Laws require a Simple Majority Vote of the membership to pass.
6. Temporary changes or deviations from the Constitution and By-Laws are prohibited."

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Old 09-13-2013 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Now DPA has changed the constitution to clarify that even in special circumstances, the dues rate will still be lower than ALPA's. And you're still complaining? I would have thought you'd consider that kind of action responsive.

Carl
When was the DPA membership notified of this change to the C&BLs?

Was there a vote, or did a group of "insiders" just decide what's best?
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